Prophesied by Joel...

[Wansvic]

Ummm....while the book of Acts does record that all seemed to speak in tongues, Paul's letter(s) to the Corinthians who badly needed instruction, that not all will speak in tongues. Why do you keep insisting otherwise?

So if you do believe 'the word of God', then why do you change it to suit your own interpretation? I have the gift of tongues so my objections to some of what you write has nothing to do with whether or not I believe the gifts are still operative. I see how you change the wording in small little ways and this is a harmful practice.

It creates even more friction when someone objects to your criteria about the infilling of the Holy Spirit and that is totally your doing with regards to this thread.

We are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we first accept Christ. We do not automatically receive gifts with no knowledge of even knowing about them. Times are different. When Acts was written, people were new to the faith and there were not myriad beliefs around or people who are cessationists. No good can come out of telling people they are not saved if they do not speak in tongues.

The Bible says we are saved thought the sacrifice of Jesus...NOT blabbing in tongues.

You stated we are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we first accept Christ.

The scripture reference:
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,"

What word of truth involves the Holy Spirit of promise? It was presented by Peter in Jerusalem after Jesus poured out the Holy Spirit. And, as Jesus prophesied the gospel of salvation continues to be carried into all nations. (Luke 24:47) Some accept it, while others do not.

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. " Acts 2:4
"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine..." Acts 2:36-42

 

[CS1]

You stated we are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we first accept Christ.

The scripture reference:
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,"

What word of truth involves the Holy Spirit of promise? It was presented by Peter in Jerusalem after Jesus poured out the Holy Spirit. And, as Jesus prophesied the gospel of salvation continues to be carried into all nations. (Luke 24:47) Some accept it, while others do not.

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. " Acts 2:4
"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine..." Acts 2:36-42

what is the point you're making? I want to be sure I understand you.

 

[ocean]

You stated we are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we first accept Christ.

The scripture reference:
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,"

What word of truth involves the Holy Spirit of promise? It was presented by Peter in Jerusalem after Jesus poured out the Holy Spirit. And, as Jesus prophesied the gospel of salvation continues to be carried into all nations. (Luke 24:47) Some accept it, while others do not.

"And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. " Acts 2:4
"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine..." Acts 2:36-42

My exchange with you seems to be difficult for you to handle. You have some ideas that I do not see in scripture, including everyone must speak in tongues. That, is not in scripture along with a few other things you try to pass off as scriptural.

I know what you believe. The problem is, it cannot be found in the Bible. God's word tells us we are sealed by the Holy Spirit upon accepting Christ as I showed you in another post...the verse and the reference.

This is not about water baptism and not about repentance. You are a avoiding the fact you were wrong about Paul saying he desired everyone to speak in tongues. I have posted that verse and reference several times now.

It seems you are not accepting scripture when you tell everyone else to do so.