Proof That Catholics Worship Mary

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Magenta

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This is silly Catholic propaganda dumbed down. Instead of wasting your time with
Catholic errors, just learn and apply Scripture. Start with Ephesians 6:10-18.

Ephesians 6:11, plus 14 to 17
Thank you for the inspiration to somewhat update this fairly old panel (must be from 2018). I believe it was @VCO
who requested it, and provided the image of the angel to include, way back when I still did everything in purple LOL.
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I read that during the great judgment, almost everyone will be "possessed" .. they sinned for a long time and the demon left them, so that he could then control them in that terrible period, only people who know how to pray or the holy rosary will be able to avoid this.
 

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I read that during the great judgment, almost everyone will be "possessed" .. they sinned for a long time and the demon left them, so that he could then control them in that terrible period, only people who know how to pray or the holy rosary will be able to avoid this.
You can either stop promoting Catholicism or be banned from this site. Better yet, forsake Catholicism with all its many errors and embrace the simple truth of Christianity.
 

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"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." —Isaiah 42:8

There is not a more damnable doctrine in Roman Catholicism than the teachings ofOur Lady of Fatima. Roman Catholic officials claim that a supernatural event occurred in 1917 in which theBlessed Virgin Maryappeared repeatedly to 3 little children in Fatima, Portugal. Supposedly, theVirgin Marygave a message to the 3 children—Lucia, Jacinta and Francisco—consisting of anallegednumber of precise predictions, requests, warnings andpromisesconcerning the Catholic faith. An "apparition" means "the unexpected or unusual appearance of a ghostly figure."

The 5th of the15 promisesmade byOur Lady of Fatimaconcerning the Rosary is so blasphemous that it is unmistakable, clear, proof, that Catholics do indeed worship Mary (which is sinful idolatry). Here's the 5th promise...

The soul which recommends itself to Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish. —SOURCE

Blasphemy!!! You cannot show me even one Scripture from the Word of God where we are told to trust in Mary, by reciting theRosaryto be saved. In fact, the word "Rosary" is NOT a Bible term. TheRosary is straight out of the pits of Hell. Jesus condemnedvain repetitionin Matthew 6:7. According toOur Lady of Fatima(whose teachings are officially sanctioned by the Vatican), a person can obtain eternal life through Mary by reciting the Rosary. In sharp contrast, Jesus Christ proclaimed in John 14:6... "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me." How could Catholics be so arrogant, so blind, and so apostate as to believe that salvation is found in Mary? I tell you, Catholicism is of the Devil.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ has absolutely nothing to do with Mary. None of the Apostles ever mentioned Mary in their Epistles. Jesus never directed us to recognize Mary. In fact, the Bible clearly states in Matthew 11:11 that there has never been a child born amongst women greater thanJohn the Baptist. And no wonder, becauseJohn the Baptistprepared the people for the coming of the Savior—Jesus Christ,the Lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world(John 1:29). Yet, Catholics sinfully worship Mary, bowing to her statue as if she's a god.Unbelievably, during one rosary recital (a chaplet), a Catholic will recite 53 hail Marys! Each "Hail Mary" recital is 42 words long. 42 x 53 = 2,226 words just praising Mary! The devout Catholic who prays the rosary every day will praise Mary with 812,490 words in a year's time. That is idolatry! Again,Our Lady of Fatimasaid...

The soul which recommends itself to Me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish. —SOURCE

That's a BIG LIE!!! The Vatican has a lot of explaining to do, because something smells very rotten. One of the most unholy groups in this world is the Holy See, i.e., Catholic leadership. They wrote the book on self-righteousness. No devout Catholic dare deny the promises ofOur Lady of Fatima, i.e., theirBlessed Virgin Mary. The Catholic Mary (which is nowhere even close to the Biblical Mary) claims to have the power to save those who recite the Rosary. No wonder Catholicism's Mary is often referred to asThe Great Whore. Catholics have mutated Jesus' earthly mother into a two-headed, fire-breathing, demonic, monster.

The Biblical Mary was a horrible sinner (James 2:10), who needed a Savior (Luke 1:47), and told others to do what Jesus commanded (John 2:5). The Biblical Mary was not aPerpetual Virgin(Matthew 13:55-56), was notImmaculately Conceived(Romans 3:23), wasn'tBodily Assumedinto Heaven (Hebrews 9:27), and she doesn't intercede on our behalf (1st Timothy 2:5... "For there is one God, andone mediatorbetween God and men, the man Christ Jesus"). TheBlessed Virgin Maryof the Catholic religion is straight from Hell.

Oh! Listen my friend, the Catholic Church is aprisonhouseof religion! Catholics have churchianity without Christianity, and religion without truth. From the cradle to the casket, the Catholic Church offers people a package deal; but it's a guaranteed road straight into the depths of Hellfire and damnation. In Luke 17:21, Jesus stated that theKingdom of Godis within you; not within a religious organization. Many people want an organized religion that allows them to touch, taste, see, and feel what they're trusting in for eternal life. However, true salvation, which is obtained onlyby faithin Christ Jesus, isof the heart(Romans 10:10).
You have demonstrated the big problem I have with their beliefs. They have put Pope-approved tradition alongside the Bible, an unbiblical traditionalism.
 

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Better yet, forsake Catholicism with all its many errors and embrace the simple truth of Christianity.
Why is it that so many continue to be bound by Catholicism? Does that not show the power exerted by false religion? The Bible is now freely available to all. But they continue to believe the lies of the Vatican.
 

Magenta

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You can either stop promoting Catholicism or be banned from this site. Better yet, forsake
Catholicism with all its many errors and embrace the simple truth of Christianity.
They don't seem to be here any more... .:unsure:
 

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I read that during the great judgment, almost everyone will be "possessed" .. they sinned for a long time.

You know that we all sin over a lifetime. I'd call that a long time, wouldn't you?
We know from Revelation 21:8 that even someone who tells a lie "shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone..."

With that in mind, we're in a Lot of trouble. God does not want to leave us wondering until it's too late. I learned that the Bible is clear on exactly what is required of us . I'm posting what this one popular priest on YouTube says about it and what the other guy says about it. Then please re read my short letter below with the link. It has a prayer at the end too. Ask me if you have any questions about them. Hope you have a good weekend.


Hello friend,
I used to be Roman Catholic and was rightly taught that Jesus is the Son of God, the Holy Trinity, virgin birth of Christ and that the Bible is the Word of God. I'm grateful for what my Mom taught me to pray at meals and in her Sunday school class.

As a teenager I was asked about where I thought I'd go when I die. I wasn't sure, but thought that God would not want to hide that from us. I also believe that every priest and pastor is supposed to go to the Bible for instructions and correction above any man's opinion.

Someone cared enough to share the following basic truth with me from God's Word. I want to pass that forward to you now too.
Have a good day. 📖🙂👍

>Heaven <
 

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1 JOHN 5:13~~These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 

Dino246

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Why is it that so many continue to be bound by Catholicism? Does that not show the power exerted by false religion? The Bible is now freely available to all. But they continue to believe the lies of the Vatican.
"Belonging" is a significant motivation... sadly too frequently more powerful than the desire for truth.
 
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A careful examination of "the sacrifice pf the Mass" shows that the RCC has gone completely rogue. We all know that Christ's "real presence" is always there in Spirit when real Christians have a real Remembrance Feast.

But the Catholic Church promotes the lie that (a) a priest must now "sacrifice" Christ (although it is a wafer) and (b) offer His blood as a part of the sacrifice. This in the face of what the Bible says, that the sacrifice of Christ was "ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOREVER".

Here is what the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia has to say:
Without attempting to state and establish a comprehensive theory of sacrifice, it will suffice to show that, according to the comparative history of religions, four things are necessary to a sacrifice:
  • a sacrificial gift (res oblata),
  • a sacrificing minister (minister legitimus),
  • a sacrificial action (actio sacrificica), and
  • a sacrificial end or object (finis sacrificii).
In contrast with sacrifices in the figurative or less proper sense, the sacrificial gift must exist in physical substance, and must be really or virtually destroyed (animals slain, libations poured out, other things rendered unfit for ordinary uses), or at least really transformed, at a fixed place of sacrifice (ara, altare), and offered up to God. As regards the person offering, it is not permitted that any and every individual should offer sacrifice on his own account.

In the revealed religion, as in nearly all heathen religions, only a qualified person (usually called priest, sacerdos, lereus), who has been given the power by commission or vocation, may offer up sacrifice in the name of the community. After Moses, the priests authorized by law in the Old Testament belonged to the tribe of Levi, and more especially to the house of Aaron (Hebrews 5:4).

But, since Christ Himself received and exercised His high priesthood, not by the arrogation of authority but in virtue of a Divine call, there is still greater need that priests who represent Him should receive power and authority through the Sacrament of Holy Orders to offer up the sublime Sacrifice of the New Law.

Sacrifice reaches its outward culmination in the sacrificial act, in which we have to distinguish between the proximate matter and the real form. The form lies, not in the real transformation or complete destruction of the sacrificial gift, but rather in its sacrificial oblation, in whatever way it may be transformed.

So by some sort of "magic" a wafer becomes "Christ". Can no one see the absurdity of this idea? And by some sort of "magic" a man receive the power to cause this transformation and offer up a "sacrifice". The OT priests would laugh at this.
I'm not seeing a refutation of any substance. What in the quoted text from New Advent specifically is incorrect. Where in Scripture does it say that Jesus is only present spiritually in the Eucharist? If this is just a spiritual thing, then why does 1 Cor. 11:27-30 speak about real PHYSICAL consequences to eating and drinking in an unworthy manner where people are becoming ill and even dying for their sacrilege?
 

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I'm not seeing a refutation of any substance. What in the quoted text from New Advent specifically is incorrect.
You are simply contradicting yourself. The refutation is there and you too are saying that the Catholic belief is incorrect. Scripture automatically refutes the Catholic doctrine,
 

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It would take a whole book to show how Scripture refutes Catholic beliefs. So the how is within the Word of God, and you can take the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) and lay it side by side with the Bible and see this for yourself.

Can a man (who himself is a sinner) grant "absolution" of sins to anyone? Yet that is what the Catholic Church teaches and practices. "Absolution proper is that act of the priest whereby, in the Sacrament of Penance, he frees man from sin" -- New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia. Read the article in full and see how false it is.

Only God can forgive sins. The enemies of Christ objected when He who is God forgave sins. But He did then, and He does now.

This is just one false belief among hundreds. So you can do your own research.
 
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It would take a whole book to show how Scripture refutes Catholic beliefs. So the how is within the Word of God, and you can take the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) and lay it side by side with the Bible and see this for yourself.

Can a man (who himself is a sinner) grant "absolution" of sins to anyone? Yet that is what the Catholic Church teaches and practices. "Absolution proper is that act of the priest whereby, in the Sacrament of Penance, he frees man from sin" -- New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia. Read the article in full and see how false it is.

Only God can forgive sins. The enemies of Christ objected when He who is God forgave sins. But He did then, and He does now.

This is just one false belief among hundreds. So you can do your own research.
If that is so, then why is the power to forgive sins given to the disciples: "And having said this, He breathed on them and He says to them, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you might forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you might retain any, they are retained" (Jn. 20:22-23)?
 
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If that is so, then why is the power to forgive sins given to the disciples: "And having said this, He breathed on them and He says to them, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you might forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you might retain any, they are retained" (Jn. 20:22-23)?
Actually, that's question is easy to explain.

Can you forgive sins?? No, right??

Who can forgive sins?

What are the requirements to be forgiven of our sins?
Isn't it believing and accepting Jesus as our personal savior??

So, that verse is easy to understand. To begin with, since the Gospel of John does not describe the ascension of Jesus anywhere, it is understood that this verse synthesizes the scene of the ascension of Jesus that is described very well in the gospels of Luke 24:50-53, Mark 16:14- 19 and the book of Acts 1:4-9.
The reception of the Holy Spirit is also synthesized in that verse. If you read Acts 2:1-13 you will realize that the reception of the holy spirit was 40 days after the acencion and not the same day as it appears in the gospel of John.

With that in mind, Mark 16:15-16 says: And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth shall not be damned.

In conclusion, if Jesus gives you the great commission to preach the gospel to every creature and those who believe, their sins will be remitted and those who do not believe will not. That is all that the gospel of John is synthesizing in a few verses. Not that anyone has the power to forgive sins apart from God.

But since Catholics grab any excuse to distort the word of God and say that they are right without doing a logical analysis, they base themselves on that verse to say that the disciples had the power to forgive sins when what it indicates is that Through the preaching of the message of salvation, those who believe will have their sins forgiven and those who did not, well not.
 

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Why is it that so many continue to be bound by Catholicism? Does that not show the power exerted by false religion? The Bible is now freely available to all. But they continue to believe the lies of the Vatican.
largely for the same reasons so many are deceived by mormonisn and so many in reformed churches have so much bad doctrine and and know so little about the faith.

the roman catholic church has for more than a thousand years sent out evangelists to the poor and needy, and the lds has poured hundreds of millions of dollars into doing the same since that cult began a scant hundred years ago.
and people are in general lazy and do not investigate the truth. we are as a body largely biblically illiterate, and don't even do the simple logical work of asking basic questions when we are preached to. we are not for the most part 'good Bereans' - we believe all kinds of things coming from poor pastors that aren't even close to the truth, even in evangelical churches.

so it stands to reason that when we don't evangelize nearly as much as a corruption of the church or an absolute heretical cult does, and even sitting in the pews we don't examine what we are hearing against the scripture, that there will be an huge number of roman catholics, and an huge number of heretics and false sheep in the visible church.

but God will reveal to all of us the truth. may our faith be in Him, and may we seek peace and encourage one another in the knowledge of God!
 

posthuman

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i want to point out that it's just as wrong to say all members of the RCC worship Mary, put tradition ahead of scripture and idolize the pope as it is to say all americans are racist, hate immigrants, reject plain truth and lie about who won the last election.

just as this country is a melting pot full of people with different views, the catholic church is a huge group of people all over the world who identify as catholic because that is the Christian faith which they were brought up in and have to deal with and work within.

i wouldn't be so quick to say no one in the RCC is a real believer just as i wouldn't immediately identify every american with our former president.

one man has never represented all of the usa and the pope has never represented all of the RCC - the reformation was led by people in the catholic church. please remember that and don't treat catholics as your enemies. they are our brothers and sisters inasmuch as their faith is also in Christ, just like people who do not share your political views are still your neighbors and fellow countrymen.


we should learn from each other, and be patient and kind, rather than bite and devour the ach other and consume ourselves and our conversations with hatred
 
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i want to point out that it's just as wrong to say all members of the RCC worship Mary, put tradition ahead of scripture and idolize the pope as it is to say all americans are racist, hate immigrants, reject plain truth and lie about who won the last election.

just as this country is a melting pot full of people with different views, the catholic church is a huge group of people all over the world who identify as catholic because that is the Christian faith which they were brought up in and have to deal with and work within.

i wouldn't be so quick to say no one in the RCC is a real believer just as i wouldn't immediately identify every american with our former president.

one man has never represented all of the usa and the pope has never represented all of the RCC - the reformation was led by people in the catholic church. please remember that and don't treat catholics as your enemies. they are our brothers and sisters inasmuch as their faith is also in Christ, just like people who do not share your political views are still your neighbors and fellow countrymen.


we should learn from each other, and be patient and kind, rather than bite and devour the ach other and consume ourselves and our conversations with hatred
Yes, I agree whit you, we do not have to see them as our enemy. In fact, I want to believe that many of them are saved just like us, and it is fair to treat them as our brothers in faith, because they believe in Jesus as our savior just as we do. But there are certainly some doctrinal differences and many points that need to be clarified to them, who live and believe according to the customs of Catholic teachings, which we know are not correct.
 

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I don't hear any of the members saying they can go to the Mormon church & be a christian. Neither the Jehovah's witnesses.
Yet I hear that people can go to the RCC & be saved. If you get saved while in the RCC, it can possibly happen.
But... NO born again christian can continue to worship in a cult after Christ has gloriously saved them.
Those who say they can are in error & need to repent of their sin.
So many have forgotten the history of the RCC & forgot that NO POPE ever repented for all the dead saints they killed, NEITHER have they repented for all the Jesuits they still send out into the world today to steer Protestant religions back to the RCC.
NEITHER did they repent for all the Knights Templars they sent out to bring the damage they did, & still do.


If you DON'T think the RCC is evil, watch this.

Universalism is the Doctrine of demons that's being pushed hard by the RCC today.
At best, the pope is a heretical false teacher, at worst he could be the forerunner or the false prophet himself.
 
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I don't hear any of the members saying they can go to the Mormon church & be a christian. Neither the Jehovah's witnesses.
Yet I hear that people can go to the RCC & be saved. If you get saved while in the RCC, it can possibly happen.
But... NO born again christian can continue to worship in a cult after Christ has gloriously saved them.
Those who say they can are in error & need to repent of their sin.
So many have forgotten the history of the RCC & forgot that NO POPE ever repented for all the dead saints they killed, NEITHER have they repented for all the Jesuits they still send out into the world today to steer Protestant religions back to the RCC.
NEITHER did they repent for all the Knights Templars they sent out to bring the damage they did, & still do.


If you DON'T think the RCC is evil, watch this.

Universalism is the Doctrine of demons that's being pushed hard by the RCC today.
At best, the pope is a heretical false teacher, at worst he could be the forerunner or the false prophet himself.
It turns out that Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses have completely distorted the image of Jesus. The first one believe that he is the son of God but they insist on saying that Mother God exists and that the tree are a happy family on heaven, making short the story, they believe that God and Jesus are not the same and the others (JW) say something quite similar. So evidently the Jesus they believe in is the same thing as believing that Allah is God. And on the other hand, in the Catholic Church it is possible to find people who do not believe in saints or pray to them and also people who do not believe in Catholic rituals or at least, not like the indoctrinated sheep, people whose prayers are more than a simple Our Father or a Hail Mary.
They are only Catholic by custom or inheritance. So yes, I believe it is possible to find saved people in Catholicism. Happen that that pope want to be friendly to all religion just to no offend nobody. He always has been a clown, since the first day.