Problem with Teaching 'Religion' is Bad.

[Soyeong]

From Hebrews 10:1, 4, and 1 Corinthians 5:7

You avoided answering my question.

In regard to the verses you quoted, they do not use the word "only". God's holy days are foreshadows of what is to come, so we should live in a way that testifies about what is to come by continuing to observe them rather than a way that denies the truth of what is to come by refusing to observe them. For example, in 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, Paul spoke in regard to how Passover foreshadowed Christ by drawing the connection of him being our Passover Lamb, however, instead of concluding that we no longer need to bother observing Passover, he concluded by saying that we should therefore continue to observe it.

I take it you are not a Christian.

In Matthew 4:15-23, Christ began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Mosaic Law is how his audience knew what sin is, so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel of Christ. Furthermore, Christ set a perfect example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22) and that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked. So Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example and it is bizarre for someone to think that the way to follow Christ is by refusing to follow what he taught or to think that I am not a follower of Christ because I hold the position that followers of Christ should follow what he taught.

 

[Aaron56]

That's right. And because of this, the "priests" of the Catholic Church have been assigned powers which are totally unbiblical. In fact the whole clerical system of the RCC is totally without scriptural support. But then the Protestants failed to go right back the NT, and also created their own clergy.

Agreed.

While it's understood that there is a diversity of gifts, the role of priest to the family, both to sons and daughters, falls to the parents. Many churches abdicate this responsibility to hired help.

In our spiritual household I had been teaching the elementary doctrines in Hebrews 6. Then, before a spiritual house retreat, I divided topics according to families and I left it up to the fathers to decide how to present the topic during the retreat. Without corroboration every father involved every member of their families. Even the young kiddos were part of the lesson.

It is also common today for me to encourage a spiritual son to flesh out something they shared with me so that they might present it during one of our meetings.

My motivation for this was the word that spoke to maturing in Christ and moving on from milk: "For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food."

I knew I could not have a clear conscience if the people under my care never matured because I continually served them milk.

 

[Magenta]

You avoided answering my question.

No, I did not avoid answering your question; you are quite simply willfully blind.

Nor can you keep the law. Telling others they need to practice Judaism makes you a false teacher.

 

[Soyeong]

No, I did not avoid answering your question; you are quite simply willfully blind.

Nothing that you quoted said anything against follow the religion that Jesus practiced, so you're still avoiding the issue. We can't follow Jesus by refusing to follow his example.

Nor can you keep the law. Telling others they need to practice Judaism makes you a false teacher.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult for us to keep and that keeping it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we can't keep, moreover, Romans 10:5-8 references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim, which is the word of faith that we deny. Jesus spent his ministry teaching how to practice Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah, so if you think that teaching others to practice Judaism makes someone a false teacher, then you are calling Jesus a false teacher. In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so I am a true teacher, while you are opposed to following truth, which makes you the false teacher.

 

[Magenta]

Nothing that you quoted said anything against follow the religion that Jesus practiced, so you're still avoiding the issue. We can't follow Jesus by refusing to follow his example.


In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult for us to keep and that keeping it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as something that we can't keep, moreover, Romans 10:5-8 references Deuteronomy 30:11-20 as the word of faith that we proclaim, which is the word of faith that we deny. Jesus spent his ministry teaching how to practice Judaism by living in sinless obedience to the Torah, so if you think that teaching others to practice Judaism makes someone a false teacher, then you are calling Jesus a false teacher. In Psalms 119:142, God's law is truth, so I am a true teacher, while you are opposed to following truth, which makes you the false teacher.

Perhaps you do not know that we are under a new covenant, and a new priesthood, which necessitates a change in the law... the old is passing away and becoming obsolete. Are you truly ignorant of these FACTS? You cannot keep the law. And perhaps read acts 15.

 

[Soyeong]

Perhaps you do not know that we are under a new covenant, and a new priesthood, which necessitates a change in the law... the old is passing away and becoming obsolete. Are you truly ignorant of these FACTS? You cannot keep the law. And perhaps read acts 15.

The New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33), so if someone wants nothing to do with following the Torah, then they want nothing to do with being under the New Covenant. The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way that it can be replaced by the New Covenant is if the New Covenant does everything that the Mosaic Covenant does plus more, which is what it means to make something obsolete (Hebrews 8:13), so the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10), plus it is based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6). In Galatians 3:16-19, a new covenant does not nullify the promises of a covenant that has already been ratified, so again the New Covenant does not abolish our need to obey the Torah.

The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so we should be quicker to disregard everything that any man has said than to disregard anything that God has commanded. In Deuteronomy 13:1-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they teach against obeying the Torah, so if you think that the authors of the NT did that, then you can either hold the position that what they wrote is Scripture and therefore you must have misunderstood what they wrote or you can hold the position that you ,just have correctly understood what they wrote and therefore what they wrote is not Scripture, but either way you don't have room to hold both the positions that what they wrote is Scripture and that you have correctly understood what they wrote.

I've shown you where God's word says that God's word says that God's law is not too difficult to obey, so I choose to believe God's word instead of yours. It shouldn't make sense to you to interpret God's word as speaking against obeying other parts of God's word, but rather you should be quicker to think that you must have misunderstood the Bible.

 

[Magenta]

The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so we should be quicker to disregard everything that any man has said than to disregard anything that God has commanded. In Deuteronomy 13:1-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him is if they teach against obeying the Torah

Wrong again! That was for Jews, which you ignore, and pretend Christians are to be Torah observant, making you a false teacher, and I certainly will not listen to you, nor should ANYone else. Your ears heart and eyes are stopped to the new covenant; many verses have been given to you, but you CHOOSE to believe other than what is told to us therein. Since you believe you can walk as Jesus did, let me know when you can walk on water, and when the date of your crucifixion is set, if you let me know when that is to be, I will see if I can attend to watch you follow in Hs footsteps.

From Acts 15:20 plus 28

 

[Mem]

Berean Standard Bible Par ▾
Hebrews 1
The Supremacy of the Son
(Colossians 1:15–23)
1On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son,a whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.b

The prophets led us to Jesus, why are nuts trying to lead us back to the prophets?!

Hebrews 2
Salvation Confirmed

1We must pay closer attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. 2For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every transgression and disobedience received its just punishment, 3how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation?

To make sure that we neglect such a great salvation?!

Hebrews 3
Jesus Our Apostle and High Priest

1Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, set your focus on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess. 2He was faithful to the One who appointed Him, just as Moses was faithful in all God’s house.a

3For Jesus has been counted worthy of greater glory than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4And every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything.

5Now Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house,b testifying to what would be spoken later. 6But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are His house, if we hold firmlyc to our confidence and the hope of which we boast.

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19So we see that it was because of their unbelief that they were unable to enter.

 

[Soyeong]

Wrong again! That was for Jews, which you ignore, and pretend Christians are to be Torah observant, making you a false teacher, and I certainly will not listen to you, nor should ANYone else. Your ears heart and eyes are stopped to the new covenant; many verses have been given to you, but you CHOOSE to believe other than what is told to us therein. Since you believe you can walk as Jesus did, let me know when you can walk on water, and when the date of your crucifixion is set, if you let me know when that is to be, I will see if I can attend to watch you follow in Hs footsteps.

From Acts 15:20 plus 28

It is absurd for you to consider me to be a false teacher for holding the position that followers of the God of Israel should follow what He has commanded in accordance with the example that Jesus set for us to follow. In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so I'm not the one whose heart and ears are stopped to the New Covenant. I agree with the verses that you've cited, I just don't agree that it makes sense to interpret them as speaking against obeying God. In 1 John 2:6, it says that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, which refers to walking out the commandments, not to walking on water. the Bible frequently speaks about walking in God's way/commandments, for example:

Deuteronomy 5:33 You shall walk in all the way that the Lord your God has commanded you, that you may live, and that it may go well with you, and that you may live long in the land that you shall possess.