Predestined = A PLAN chosen with a PATH

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FlyingDove

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God predestined/elected/choose a "PLAN" of salvation, before creation & time began. Before any sin was ever committed. The "PATH" God choose/elected/predestined unto redemption. Is the FINISHED sin redemptive work of Jesus the Christ. Found in the death (sins wage paid in full) & resurrection (Gods receipt, payment received & accepted). And is applicable only to those that confess Jesus as Lord & believe God raised Jesus from the dead.

1 Pet 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
(NOTE: Who = Christ, read vs 19 for context. Before the creation of our world. Before any sin was ever committed. Christ was chosen/elected/foreordained. If it became necessary, to implement & execute God's PLAN for redemption)

Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who ""hath blessed us"" with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places ""in Christ""
(NOTE: Eph is written to believers see Ehp 1:1. Vs 3; God, thru Christ has blessed us: US? = believers that are ""in Christ"". In Christ, is a positional statement applicable only to the believer)

4 According as he hath "chosen us in him before the foundation of the world"
NOTE: Reread 1 Pet 1:20. Vs 4, Before the foundation of the world, God, foreordained/elected/CHOOSE US = believers, that thru faith are positioned "in Christ")

5 Having "predestinated us unto the adoption" of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will
(NOTE: Who has God "predestinated us unto the adoption"? Everyone? No, Paul is writing to believers only)

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(NOTE: Once Christ FINISHED making sin's redemptive payment. Everyone, at some point, will be drawn/offered redemption via the Holy Spirit. And will be faced with making a choice. Believe & trust or reject God's offer)

The Predestined-Chosen-Elect are those who accept God's PLAN by faith & follow it's PATH.

The FAITH choice is made by the individual. Faith in Christ is a personal choice (offered to everyone) & is NEVER forced

WHOEVER BELIEVES

Matthew 10:32 Jesus said; Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
(NOTE: Jesus says; Whoever WILL CONFESS me before man)

John:3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(NOTE: Whoever trust's God & BELIEVES in Jesus sin payment & resurrection)

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(NOTE: Whoever BELIEVES in the Son)

John 11:26 Jesus said; whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
(NOTE: Whoever BELIEVES)

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(NOTE: Whoever trust's God & BELIEVES in Jesus sin payment & resurrection. Shall not be ashamed)

Ephesians 2:
8 By grace are ye saved through faith not of yourselves it is the "gift" of God
(NOTE: Salvation comes thru God's gracious gift = sending Jesus. And thru faith placed in the Lords sin payment & resurrection)

Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
(NOTE: We access God's grace by FAITH/TRUST/BELIEF in Jesus sin payment & resurrection)
 

p_rehbein

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Not sure your thought process there.........first part appears to be supporting predestination against free will, second part appears to be supporting free will against predestination........

:)

One part that bothers me somewhat is:

(NOTE: Who = Christ, read vs 19 for context. Before the creation of our world. Before any sin was ever committed. Christ was chosen/elected/foreordained. If it became necessary, to implement & execute God's PLAN for redemption)

Jesus is God!
 

FlyingDove

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Not sure your thought process there.........first part appears to be supporting predestination against free will, second part appears to be supporting free will against predestination........

:)

One part that bothers me somewhat is:

(NOTE: Who = Christ, read vs 19 for context. Before the creation of our world. Before any sin was ever committed. Christ was chosen/elected/foreordained. If it became necessary, to implement & execute God's PLAN for redemption)

Jesus is God!
The heading explains my position.

Predestined = A PLAN chosen with a PATH.

King James Bible Dictionary: predestine """""To decree beforehand; to foreordain""""".

Did you read the verses that bother you. I was applying my note to? You posted my note without them.

1 Pet 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
(NOTE: Who = Christ, read vs 19 for context. Before the creation of our world. Before any sin was ever committed. Christ was chosen/elected/foreordained. If it became necessary, to implement & execute God's PLAN for redemption)

I'll try again here with additional context:

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
(NOTE: Vs 18: believers aren't REDEEMED via gold or silver. Vs 19: they are REDEEMED by the redemptive sin atoning payment. Made with the precious blood of Christ.

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
(NOTE: VS 19, OT sacrificial system: A lamb without blemish was killed/sacrificed & it's blood covered sin. Even those sins weren't taken away/washed away until Christ sheds his sinless GOD BLOOD making the ultimate atonement/sacrifice for sin)

20 """""Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world""""", but was manifest in these last times for you,
(NOTE: Vs 20: """""Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world""""" (Adam hasn't sinned yet) Before our world was formed & any sin was committed. God made a decree, foreordaining Christ to implement & execute God's PLAN for redemption, if man fell.