Paul said that the final conforming of a born again christian, "into the image of Christ" = is what is predestined.
Thats what he teaches.
predestination vs freewill
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Paul said that the final conforming of a born again christian, "into the image of Christ" = is what is predestined.
Thats what he teaches.
Calling.
You have to be born again to then later become conformed into the image of Christ, which is pre-destined to happen, once you are born again.
Conforming to image of Christ equals the work of sanctification being completed when we are glorified with Christ. Very salvific language.
And the text indicated that predestination PRECEDES calling and justification.
Are you saying that Chinese only speaking and Chinese only readers can not read the Bible unless it's in KJV English? Are you a Ruckmanite?
That's not the point of contention though, so I don't know how it would support your misapplication of predestination as a designation (simply because the words sound similar?) of "those who love Him."
Lets say all of us meet in a nice room and im preaching.
Some bring a lost friend, or lost family member, or lost neighbor.
You tell me before the service....>"i brought my lost brother"..
So, i know there are unbelievers in the audience before i start.
Im an evangelist who has a teaching anointing, and i'm a minstrel so, i'll sing and play, also.
Ive led worship.....all of it.
We will worship God and give some love to Jesus....
All of this...
We the believers will set the atmosphere so that it gives awe and wonder and reverence to God and Christ and the Cross and the word of God.
Now, because i also know that some are believers, i will teach first, then i will turn the service into an alter call.
I will do this.
I will : "Preach the Cross", as "the Cross is the power of God unto Salvation".
I will talk about the blood of Jesus and sin, and how sin keeps you out of heaven unless its forgiven and resolved by Christ's Cross, Blood, Death, and resurrection.
While im preaching this message of the CROSS..........this happens...= .."Jesus said....>If i be lifted up, i will draw all men to me".
See that?
And i just LIFTED UP THE CROSS and JESUS ON IT......by preaching it, ...........
See it?
Now the Holy Spirit is working in the room, in the hearts......>>He is DRAWING, He is opening hearts to the truth that Jesus is SAVIOR and they need HIM.......they need to be SAVED".....
Some will come to this LIGHT and trust Christ in their SEAT........others will come to the alter and WEEP tears of FAITH.
God sees all this in their HEARTS, and He takes that FAITH and He give them His Son's RIGHTEOUSNESS.
"faith is counted as righteousness".....>"Justification BY faith".
They BELIEVE and are born again.
And from that day, they begin their journey to the final destination, which is pre-destined to happen to everyone who BELIEVES..
They will be finally, in the end.....>>"conformed into the image of CHRIST", as that is pre-destined to happen to all who are born again.
You cant be conformed into the image of Christ until you are born again.
You have to BELIEVE first.
You can't believe unless you HEAR THE MESSAGE, so that '"""Faith comes by HEARING".
I don't understand, why do you misapply that statement as if it had originated from me?
The order in Romans 8:29-30
God foreknew
who He foreknew, He predestined
whom He predestined, He called
Whom He called, He justified
Whom He justified, He glorified
Predestined comes before calling.
God has a clear foreknowledge of predestination in eternity past, then the calling, justifying, and glorifying occurs in that sequence.
Romans 8:29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
We are not talking about being conformed. We are talking about being predestined to be conformed. If God knew we were going to believe ( He did), then predestination refers to the good pleasure He purposed in Himself towards those that believe. And that purpose is an ETERNAL purpose.
He eternally knew who would believe and He eternally purposed to conform those He foreknew to the image of His Son
You are teaching your theology, claiming its Paul.
Paul never teaches that God pre-destines people to be born again, and neither does John, or any Apostle.
Paul was chosen before the foundation of the world , predestined to be conformed into the image of Christ, just like all believers.
All believers come to God by FREE WILL, which is FAITH.
God receives this faith to give them the blood atonement and the new birth.
Once that happens, they are going live till they die, or are Raptured.....and once dead or raptured they will be "conformed into the image of Christ", including a NEW BODY, as that is pre-destined to happen to all who are born again.
See post 514
So are you saying that God knew you would be saved from eternity past, but He had not yet purposed that you should be conformed to Christ’s image? He had to wait till you got saved to know whether He would glorify you or not?
Are you trying to say that because English is the universal language, that the English bible should not be used if a person reads english?
Also...I know of this cult that hates the KJV....and its a sad situation.
They should had the NIV, as that one is rotten.
I'm a "Pauline Theology"..... look that up.
And i said that English is the universal language, and that the english bible is the bible.
Ive not said that you can't use anything but a KJV.
All of us have freewill. We can do what we want, including using a Quran
I use a few bibles, but mostly i use a Bible Promise Book, and a Messianic Golden Verses.
Predestination of what? those who love Him? What is the pronoun, a word used in place of a noun or noun phrase, "those" referring back to, other than "those who love Him?" And why should it be interpreted that His foreknowledge is the cause of response apart from the hearing of the word, that faith comes by, which is declared to all the world?
"predestined to be conformed'..........Into WHAT?
You dont know, and that is why you can't hear me.
The born again are predestined to be conformed, "into the image of Christ".
That is what is pre-destined to happen, AFTER you are born again.