Predestination is misunderstood...
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I know it does. I'm sorry if you have to guess.
Did you really have to post this twice?
They where not his sheep when Jesus spoke to them at that time because of this
Ezekiel 18:27 King James Version (KJV)Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
but after this time they would be chosen in him
stroll on..
Nowhere in the Bible says Jesus did not die for them.
You are creating this definition by your own reasoning which is a form of idolatry.
From a once great Calvinist who left the Cult:
“GOD SOVEREIGNLY DECREED THAT MAN SHOULD BE FREE TO EXERCISE MORAL CHOICE, AND MAN FROM THE BEGINNING HAS FULFILLED THAT DECREE BY MAKING HIS CHOICE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL. WHEN HE CHOOSES TO DO EVIL, HE DOES NOT THEREBY COUNTERVAIL THE SOVEREIGN WILL OF GOD BUT FULFILLS IT, INASMUCH AS THE ETERNAL DECREE DECIDED NOT WHICH CHOICE THE MAN SHOULD MAKE BUT THAT HE SHOULD BE FREE TO MAKE IT. IF IN HIS ABSOLUTE FREEDOM GOD HAS WILLED TO GIVE MAN LIMITED FREEDOM, WHO IS THERE TO STAY HIS HAND OR SAY, ‘WHAT DOEST THOU?’ MAN’S WILL IS FREE BECAUSE GOD IS SOVEREIGN. A GOD LESS THAN SOVEREIGN COULD NOT BESTOW MORAL FREEDOM UPON HIS CREATURES. HE WOULD BE AFRAID TO DO SO.” – A.W. TOZER, THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE HOLY: THE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD
You can say it all you want.
You words say different, its all about you. And not the other guy
For those believing AFTER the cross that is true. But that was not the case for believers BEFORE the cross, since the atonement had not yet happenened, and the blood of bulls and goats could not take away sins.
Nothing about quality of relationship. I am on my phone right now so I cannot copy and paste, but to the best of my ability to remember, it speaks of ... this is eternal life, knowing you the one true God and Jesus Christ Whom You have sent.
Faith comes by hearing about Him through His word. After we believe what God says about Him, we begin to know him.
Correct. There is nothing about duration in "knowing you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you sent. Satan knew God before he rebelled.
I agree. It seems to me the Calvinist is under the impression being born spiritually dead automatically makes us evil. It doesn't, it makes us ignorant. Ignorance is easily overcome by truth but when truth is rejected? Then ignorance turns into darkness and there are those who prefer that darkness. For them, it is impossible to save for the very thing needed to save them (truth) is the very thing they reject.
They where not his sheep when Jesus spoke to them at that time because of this
Ezekiel 18:27 King James Version (KJV)Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
but after this time they would be chosen in him
stroll on..
They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
Has nothing to do with me, cant you read ?
They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
You haven't acknowledge one single thing I've asked you about Christ not one.
Those who who not acknowledged the lord before people the lord will not acknowledge them before the father.
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It seems, and I do not want to think I have complete understanding here but just good observational skills 
but when I think of Calvinist and those who are not Calvinist definitions of God's True Love. This is what I see.
My interpretation of God's True Love = He died for every human being ever conceived.
My interpretation of Calvinists definition of God's True Love = He, on purpose, for His Sovereign Glory, sent 3/4 of everyone He created to an eternal hell.
but when I think of Calvinist and those who are not Calvinist definitions of God's True Love. This is what I see.My interpretation of God's True Love = He died for every human being ever conceived.
My interpretation of Calvinists definition of God's True Love = He, on purpose, for His Sovereign Glory, sent 3/4 of everyone He created to an eternal hell.