Predestination is misunderstood...
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If they are regenerated they are already alive and saved from death and don't need the Gospel.
you cant help but throw an insult in with every single comment you make towards me can you..
Your the one who is listening to satan your comments clearly illustrated satan.
Which is
False accusations.
Turning a blessing into a curse
Baring false witness
Telling lies
Striping people of God
Being mean hearted
Not taking correction
Meaningless apolagies
Siting hatred.
All of these characteristics are of the devil
Your listening to them and portraying them in every post you make to me
It's you who need help
But it ain't no pastor that will save you
Because you would not listen anyway
But anyhow I've had Enough of your abuse.
Ànd I'm cutting you off for good.
Goodbye
For you it is because when the absolute Truth is presented to you there's no place for you to hide from it.
I went to a local Christian Bookstore to buy this edition. Looked everywhere for it from inspirational, sound doctrine, to even the children's section and finally had to ask for help. They led me to the spiritually dead section and on every shelf you could find multiple copies.
p.s. Joking!
God indeed knew who would believe on Him because He chose to grant them that belief as a gift of grace.
To say as many false do, that God chose those He foresaw were going to choose Him is post-destination and not predestination.
Scripture confirms that God chose His people before they were born or could do anything.
Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
you are confirming your ignorance by not reading that there are many different uses of the word kosmos and not all relate to every single person without exception.
The work kosmos is used in the verse below but does that mean that every single person in the world followed Christ?
Joh 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, "You see that you are accomplishing nothing. Look, the world has gone after Him!"
Paul confirms my words it means creation:
Romans 8:
20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who subjected it,
21 in hope that the creation itself shall be freed from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
No-one argues God chose us. He chose us to conform to His Son. He chose us to be adopted as His children. He chose us to have eternal life. What He did not choose was who would believe His word as true. He extended His grace to ensure we could make that decision of our own will, not His.
If what you say were true, then the Lord is doing the lousiest of jobs keeping that up because if He really chooses what we believe, then we should all believe the same thing.
It is the Holy Spirit that uses the Word of God as the means to open up the eyes of the blind to see and to teach and guide into all truth (John 14:26, 16:13) just as He did to Lydia below.
Act 16:14 Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul.
Christ said that no one can even see the Kingdom of God unless they have first been born again (John 3:3) How can someone therefore choose something they can not even see?
If you believe the quotes from these godly men are unbiblical then it is your duty to show where they are wrong but I do not see you doing this.
God commands His people to reflect the love that was shown to them while they were His enemies but is under no obligation to love all of His enemies especially those He has not chosen to love. We do not know who God has chosen to love therefore we are to be obedient and love all, even our enemies to glorify the love that God had shown to us.
God loves those who love Him and they only do so because He first loved them (Pro 8:17, 1 Jn 4:19).
God is indeed love and He loves justice just as much as He loves His people and the greatest display of both is seen at the cross where Christ satisfied divine justice in order to grant righteous mercy to His people and not to those He justly hates.
many people deny God's sovereignty and therefore the word supreme adds to the extent of His sovereignty and that He is LORD over all.
you therefore serve a frustrated, impotent God not found in Scripture, who is not able to free people from such bondage as the whole kosmos besides His elect are still under the sway of the god of this world, Satan.
Scripture says otherwise.
Mat 1:21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."
How can one choose to reject what they cannot see? If God does not show them, it is the Lord who is at fault. But we are shown in Romans 1 that God does indeed make them see, yet there are some who reject Him outright, long before the Gospel even has a chance to be presented.
Those are Jews, His People.
Jesus even said He only came for the Jews but then later He mentioned the Gentiles. But when this was Prophesied is for JEWS only.