Predestination is misunderstood...

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John146 said:
Acts 16:
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, you are already saved. Now that you know that you are saved, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ...and...thou...shalt...be...saved. Salvation clearly comes after hearing and believing. Again, depart from the RCC doctrine of John Calvin and believe the bible.
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If its works it cant be by grace. The bible says that ! Rom 11:5

And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

And to cut to the chase and be honest with you, you cant believe in Grace and deny Election and Predestination, its not possible.
 
brightfame52 said:
One writer wrote and I quote:
Predestination is the Decree of God, whereby{according to the counsel of His own will} He foreordained some of mankind to eternal life, and refused or passed by others for the praise of His glorious Mercy and Justice. Some are vessels of mercy, others are vessels of wrath. “Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much long-suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction; and that he might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had afore prepared unto glory.” Rom.9:21-23.​

http://www.supralapsarian.com/pdf/ness-arminianism.pdf 1
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This is the person who wrote this and is also known as a well known heretic. Look at his picture, he makes the perfect looking Wolf in non sheep's clothing!

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ForestGreenCook said:
John 10:26-30. You will always believe in eternal salvation is accomplished by your works, unless you are able to understand that save=deliver, saved=delivered, and salvation=deliverance, according to Strong's concordance.

Those that Christ died for are limited to those that his Father gave him (John 6:37-40). The remnant of the house of Israel are to preach to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, who believe in God, but are lost to the knowledge of the doctrine of Christ, and are depending upon the old works of the law.

There is a deliverance=salvation, here in time, for the lost sheep, when them come unto a knowledge of the truth (Rom 10:1-3). (1 Tim 2:4) the "all men" are all men that have been preaching false doctrines (1 Tim 1:3).
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Only the remnant will be saved, likely means only a small piece of Gods life will be saved

As remnant means a small piece.

Can you see that the promise is for all.

Look does this not mean the far of means all mankind are chosen to be saved.


Acts 2:37-39

New International Version



37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”


See it says the promise is for all
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brightfame52 said:
All Christ died for will be saved by Grace, the election of Grace
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OK... so you're a TULIP Calvinist?

If you are?

False doctrine makes life simple for the stubborn who does not have to think to get his way.... (that's the plan)
 
Evmur said:
I don't agree with your position. But tell me this.

how are these statements in disagreement.

God chose who would be saved
[and your statement] God sovereignly chose us out from all those whom He always knew would believe.

How does it differ from Calvin?
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You are misunderstanding.

God chose who would be saved during the Church age by PREDETERMINING when they would be born.
He was nor predetermining to make them saved. But, when in history they would be saved by their own choice.

For example. God did not choose for David and Moses to be born during the church age.
Just the same God knew they would believe.
God could have had chosen to have Moses be born to do Paul's job, and Paul born at a time to do Moses job back in Egypt.

Yourself? If God predetermined that you would be born during the Exodus? That would mean He chose you to be a Jew who would be resurrected for His Kingdom on the New Earth. You would not be the Bride of Christ with your home in Heaven.

Paul was telling the Church that God chose them specifically to be the Bride of Christ. Do you know what that means?
 
Genez said:
OK... so you're a TULIP Calvinist?

If you are?

False doctrine makes life simple for the stubborn who does not have to think to get his way.... (that's the plan)
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Tulip is the Gospel and you calling it false doctrine, you know what that equates to.
 
brightfame52 said:
Tulip is the Gospel and you calling it false doctrine, you know what that equates to.
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Tulip is just a word, why be holden to a word.

It looks like somebody's thought of the word tulip first, and then thought of what each letter should stand for, as to make the doctrine seem nice because of a nice word,

What else could be the reasoning for this invented word and what each letter of this word should stand for.
 
HeIsHere said:
It is quite something the God they have created.

There does seem to be some level of self loathing, narcissism, masochism ..... for some people who follow these teachings.
If you look at the personality profile of Augustine and/or Calvin one sees a lot of the same tendencies on message boards.

In real life I have not find it to be that way, but then they do not have the same anonymity in real life.
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All the degrading of believers is highly influenced by Satan mocking God, like someone painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa.
It makes God look insane and abusive.

Satan mocks God today by getting people to believe his lies while keeping them from knowing God.

Satan first mocked God as he watched some of the angels walk to his side when the great debate took place before man was created. One third of the angels went with Satan.... Two thirds remained with the Lord.

We in the Church age are now an extension of that great prehistoric debate.
That is why its vitally important to seek, fight for, and find sound doctrine -- To be taught by only a few.

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“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads ​
to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road ​
that leads to life, and only a few find it." Matthew 7:13-14​


Jesus was giving that warning to his disciples. They who were already saved....
Its the Word of God being properly understood that gives life!

For he followed up with verse 15, which says....


Many today are stuck in self imposed asylums of denominationalism and can not find the life and freedom that God bestows on those who stay with sound doctrine.. not simply seeking doctrine. For it has to be sound doctrine!
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For the time will come when they will not put up with sound doctrine. ​
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great ​
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 Timothy 4:3​

The great number of teachers is that 'broad and wide road' Jesus warned will lead to destruction.
Only a few finding it are those who desire and seek sound doctrine....
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Not many should become teachers, my brothers, because you know ​
that we will receive a stricter judgment." James 3:1​


James 3:1 tells us that if all heard the Spirit?

We would have only a few teachers amongst us...

Not the many we find all around us today that contradict one another and the Word of God.

Fake news started a long time ago...

......
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
Tulip is just a word, why be holden to a word.

It looks like somebody's thought of the word tulip first, and then thought of what each letter should stand for, as to make the doctrine seem nice because of a nice word,

What else could be the reasoning for this invented word and what each letter of this word should stand for.
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You speak without wisdom friend, Tulip is the Gospel
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
well I'll ask you the same question

Did Adam and eve have the truth in them in there fallen state


Genesis 3
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

What Adam and eve did whilst they where dead in there trespasses was they told the truth to the lord


Did Adam and eve speak the truth here in there fallen state. And is that why God still loved them.


Second question if the truth is not in people like satan are they deserving of God's love.
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It isn't as simple as that in tge beginning before they ate the fruit the lived in in what is called paradice with God they were niave and innocent like children in their fallen state they still knew God and tried to teqch their sons cain abel but the truth no because salvation was not avaliable as we know they never knew the truth because it wasn't until Jesus himself came that the truth was revealed the hebrew themselves didn't know the actual truth even agter his death now as for what this term hyper grace it is simply a term to discount his love patience and grace Believe me I have in my massive torubles all the attack all the spiritual warfare how anything I try somehow never works out for one reason or another I cannot get my health back I am so underwieght all the time weigng the last time I checked 106 being sick constantly always weak and having to lay in bed for hours

I curesed God I I spoke such blasheme because I didn't understand why he just sat there and let me suffer even now I live with mice I am sick all the time I dpn't have the money to eat after about the 14th but you know more than most where I stand with Christ.

it isn't hyper grace it is his grace which is is endless I deserve his wrath yet he comforts me he speaks to me he even says to me in my dreams with all my guilt my unworthiness I feel my fear I have fallen to far says I am worthy sinless in his eyes not because of me but because wjat he did

His grace is not for those who would use it for their own needs but for the fallen the defeated the ones who see themselves noy good enough who struggle with their worth their being good enough while the enemy constantly reminds them of their sins failings everything they are lacking


Thia term hyper grace is a lie from the enemy and I stand with @grace ambassador pn this because I didn''t handle what was brought against me well and for not his grace I would be going to hell for I more than deserve it

Hyper grace as common of a term nowadays is not in the word of God it is man made take not of that made made so no he wasn't in the wrong he just understands what grace is we complicate everything and I learned first hand how dependent I am on hisd love and grace
 
Blain said:
It isn't as simple as that in tge beginning before they ate the fruit the lived in in what is called paradice with God they were niave and innocent like children in their fallen state they still knew God and tried to teqch their sons cain abel but the truth no because salvation was not avaliable as we know they never knew the truth because it wasn't until Jesus himself came that the truth was revealed the hebrew themselves didn't know the actual truth even agter his death now as for what this term hyper grace it is simply a term to discount his love patience and grace Believe me I have in my massive torubles all the attack all the spiritual warfare how anything I try somehow never works out for one reason or another I cannot get my health back I am so underwieght all the time weigng the last time I checked 106 being sick constantly always weak and having to lay in bed for hours

I curesed God I I spoke such blasheme because I didn't understand why he just sat there and let me suffer even now I live with mice I am sick all the time I dpn't have the money to eat after about the 14th but you know more than most where I stand with Christ.

it isn't hyper grace it is his grace which is is endless I deserve his wrath yet he comforts me he speaks to me he even says to me in my dreams with all my guilt my unworthiness I feel my fear I have fallen to far says I am worthy sinless in his eyes not because of me but because wjat he did

His grace is not for those who would use it for their own needs but for the fallen the defeated the ones who see themselves noy good enough who struggle with their worth their being good enough while the enemy constantly reminds them of their sins failings everything they are lacking


Thia term hyper grace is a lie from the enemy and I stand with @grace ambassador pn this because I didn''t handle what was brought against me well and for not his grace I would be going to hell for I more than deserve it

Hyper grace as common of a term nowadays is not in the word of God it is man made take not of that made made so no he wasn't in the wrong he just understands what grace is we complicate everything and I learned first hand how dependent I am on hisd love and grace
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Sorry hope your ok, well you can tell grace in pm to quit teaching blasphemy, hyper grace and to quit making enemies for me and to quit trolling me.

I would really advice you to do this.

He has also rejected many many attempts to discuss his issues he had with, but refuses, and just keeps abusing my patience with him.

as well he keeps defending those who have abused me.
 
Thunderrr-mental said:
You can't use the holy spirit to justify an opinion, it displays a lack of respect for the holy spirit.

Jesus Christ told us not to make him the Judge of disputes
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I can only disagree with him through the Holy Spirit. We obey the Holy Spirit and do what the Spirit is doing. If the Spirit disagrees then we better disagree.
 
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