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Haha! Go ahead. I really don’t know where they went tho. I think the loss of my grandpa affected me that way.
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No, Jerry, that makes you one of the more fortunate men. We all talk about the forgiveness we have received, but the guilt never does really leave you alone.
I have alot of regret right now.. I can't change it because she's dead, but if I could, I'd do everything so differently..Living with so much guilt is tough. :'(
I just keep telling myself that all any of us can do is just to keep moving forward..... Not necessarily "being nicer" because I believe that often does little, but trying to be more "real."
I'm just asking this rhetorically and not pertaining to any specific reply (even though some of the replies brought this on 
) I'm wondering if living with regret or guilt is essentially an act of unforgiveness?
You know, I think of this Kelley guy who murdered the Texas church-goers and how ... I guess, totally incensed I was. How this low-life threw slugs in the chests of children and where the last thing they saw was this pig loser walk away. How could I possibly forgive this? Yet I know God doesn't ask for my forgiveness for others - He demands it. So.... I'm left with having to do this somehow. To accomplish this in order that my own crimes - my own abominations - can also be forgiven.
This faith we share has its hard parts, no? So we have to dig deep and yet even below, even underneath this monumental gesture of forgiveness - that of saying "you are a child of God, Devin Kelley, of whom God loves and because God loves you, then I love you too" even deeper are the things we regret. The things for which we hold our own selves accountable. The guilt we can't shake - meaning, in essence, I can't forgive my self.
Is it easier to forgive Devin Kelley? Maybe so. But forgiving only others does not achieve the absolution we deny our self.
) I'm wondering if living with regret or guilt is essentially an act of unforgiveness? You know, I think of this Kelley guy who murdered the Texas church-goers and how ... I guess, totally incensed I was. How this low-life threw slugs in the chests of children and where the last thing they saw was this pig loser walk away. How could I possibly forgive this? Yet I know God doesn't ask for my forgiveness for others - He demands it. So.... I'm left with having to do this somehow. To accomplish this in order that my own crimes - my own abominations - can also be forgiven.
This faith we share has its hard parts, no? So we have to dig deep and yet even below, even underneath this monumental gesture of forgiveness - that of saying "you are a child of God, Devin Kelley, of whom God loves and because God loves you, then I love you too" even deeper are the things we regret. The things for which we hold our own selves accountable. The guilt we can't shake - meaning, in essence, I can't forgive my self.
Is it easier to forgive Devin Kelley? Maybe so. But forgiving only others does not achieve the absolution we deny our self.
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loverofjesus27
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Guilt is a sign of forgiveness and repentance because the holy spirit is with you convicting you. So if you feel guilt youre in the right path.
Well, guilt may lead someone to repentance and thus forgiveness, but absolution or forgiveness is a formal release from guilt.
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I guess but feeling guilty is not being outside of the path because its what you feel when youre being restored of course its an ugly feeling and it cant last forever
Once restored, though, should the feeling of guilt remain? My own answer to the question "is guilt and regret essentially an act of unforgiveness?" is yes. It is not forgiving your own self. Scripture doesn't really talk about forgiving yourself, only that we can ask forgiveness and be absolved by God. Choosing to feel guilty after divine absolution is corrupting your own faith. This isn't to say your sin doesn't have consequence or there's no accountability, but it is implying, at least, that God's forgiveness isn't enough.
Perhaps, but it's a significant first step in a new direction on your spiritual walk.
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I see guilt as the effect of forgiveness because after you have been forgiven you look around and you say my God what was i thinking. Its all my fault.
Sadly, it does seem to be standard "church" behavior to avoid ever doing that. To me, these are the rare moments I live for on here... not playing games about matching or completing words or coming up with song names.
I believe people need the balance of both. There is a lot of deep thought provoking threads all around, and those have their place. But silly and fun are great too. My job can be mind numbing, and I like to come into here and play around with people and have fun. I love seeing the silly responses that doesn't make me have to think too hard.
To each their own, of course, but everyone deserves a break.