Pope Francis has died

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Lynx

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I think one of you is going to have a major influence on a little betting pool I have going in a different thread.

https://christianchat.com/miscellaneous/next-antichrist.218919/

No no, I don't mean one of you is going to win it. I mean one of you is probably going to decide who the winner is.

See, the bet is on how long it will take for somebody to find a reason why the next Pope is the antichrist. How long from the vatican's announcement of who has been elected next until somebody announces, "okay see he was born in the year of the rat, and if you translate rat into Greek and then translate that into Hebrew it means sneaky thief, and if you translate that into Klingon it means one who must be killed immediately, so I think it's safe to say this proves the new pope is the antichrist."

My money is on 27 seconds from announcement to announcement.
 

HeIsHere

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The real God of the Bible showed His power when Elijah called fire down from heaven, He also showed His power when He told the wind and waves to be still so I have not idea who you are talking about.

Yes that was God acting as part of the Biblical account, you have no proof of the other and that is the difference.
 
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Wow, lightening doing what it is known to do...

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You are responding as a carnal, sense ruled person when we are all required to keep our focus on things above.
There are NO ACCIDENTS in this universe where the Creator of all knows the end from the beginning.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
best wishes
 

ZNP

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Wow, now we have the Zeus demi-god showing His power and seeking retribution through lightening strikes, I think I left that view of God when I learned about the real God of the Bible. (y)
Here is what the real God of the Bible did

2 Kings 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty. 11 Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly. 12 And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.

Exodus 9:23 When Moses stretched out his staff toward the sky, the Lord sent thunder and hail, and lightning flashed down to the ground. So the Lord rained hail on the land of Egypt; 24 hail fell and lightning flashed back and forth. It was the worst storm in all the land of Egypt since it had become a nation. 25 Throughout Egypt hail struck everything in the fields—both people and animals; it beat down everything growing in the fields and stripped every tree.

Job 37:1 “At this my heart pounds and leaps from its place. 2 Listen! Listen to the roar of his voice, to the rumbling that comes from his mouth. 3 He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.

Psalm 18:13 The Lord thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded. 14 He shot his arrows and scattered the enemy, with great bolts of lightning he routed them.

John 12:28 Father, glorify your name!” Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

Luke 10:18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

2 Samuel 22:15 He shot his arrows and scattered the enemy, with great bolts of lightning he routed them.

Ezekiel 21:15 So that hearts may melt with fear and the fallen be many,

I have stationed the sword for slaughter at all their gates. Look! It is forged to strike like lightning, it is grasped for slaughter.

Sheishere from Canada to show us how little they know about the God of the Bible in Canada. Big opportunity for a evangelism.
 
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Yes that was God acting as part of the Biblical account, you have no proof of the other and that is the difference.
"God acting as part of the Biblical account"? So, God read the scripture and said, "Gee, I better do this to make the scripture true!" ???????
I doubt.
best wishes
 

HeIsHere

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You are responding as a carnal, sense ruled person when we are all required to keep our focus on things above.
There are NO ACCIDENTS in this universe where the Creator of all knows the end from the beginning.
Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.
best wishes
I would say Christian "God determinism" is the ultimate carnal world view and has much in common with the determinism/fatalism of the Muslim religion.

Nuance was never really your forte...... black or white, accident or on purpose.
A world view of two options makes life very easy but then God is to blame for all evil as well... so there is that.
 

ZNP

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Yes that was God acting as part of the Biblical account, you have no proof of the other and that is the difference.
3 John 1:10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

The fellowship of the Apostles in the New Testament is very clear, when the Pope gave the blessing to homosexual couples he had gone against the fellowship of the apostles and so lost his authority and sanctification. As a rule when God gives His judgment He will accompany it with a sign from the heavens. You don't need the sign, the word of God is sufficient proof.
 

gb9

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Yes that was God acting as part of the Biblical account, you have no proof of the other and that is the difference.
so, you are saying that God could use nature ( that He created) to show displeasure with something in Bible times. but can't or won't do so now??

i do not think i want to test that theory.... a bit dangerous..
 
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Nothing in your post indicates you have the vital, one on one relationship with the Father through the Son who is intercessor and Savior.:(:confused::oops::unsure::coffee:
There are no gray areas, there is the Fathers realm and the enemies realm.
 

HeIsHere

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Sheishere from Canada to show us how little they know about the God of the Bible in Canada. Big opportunity for a evangelism.
Plenty of people in the USA who do not ascribe to "Newspaper Prophecy."
I would love for you to debate Don Preston and all those who correctly understand scripture and prophecy.

It would surely be entertaining.
 

HeIsHere

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so, you are saying that God could use nature ( that He created) to show displeasure with something in Bible times. but can't or won't do so now??

i do not think i want to test that theory.... a bit dangerous..
He can do as He pleases, but for us as mere mortals to make that connection, without affirmation from Him directly is a dangerous path.
 
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so, you are saying that God could use nature ( that He created) to show displeasure with something in Bible times. but can't or won't do so now??

i do not think i want to test that theory.... a bit dangerous..
Indeed, He tells us He is the same, yesterday, today and forever.
blessings
 
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Plenty of people in the USA who do not ascribe to "Newspaper Prophecy."
I would love for you to debate Don Preston and all those who correctly understand scripture and prophecy.

It would surely be entertaining.
A Christian seeks Holy Spirit guidance, who will guide in ALL truth. Reliance on "debates" between alleged believers is a very carnal suggestion.
:unsure::(:confused::coffee:
 

gb9

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He can do as He pleases, but for us as mere mortals to make that connection, without affirmation from Him directly is a dangerous path.
how about this?

how about we say that it is possible that the strikes were a sign of displeasure from God.

not were. could have been.

how about that??
 

ZNP

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Plenty of people in the USA who do not ascribe to "Newspaper Prophecy."
I would love for you to debate Don Preston and all those who correctly understand scripture and prophecy.

It would surely be entertaining.
Is he partial or full preterist?
 
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He can do as He pleases, but for us as mere mortals to make that connection, without affirmation from Him directly is a dangerous path.
Not even close to His truth, in the 1st chapter of Genesis where He gave us dominion, He obligated Himself to limit Himself to what we invite Him into.
His Own grasp this.
 

HeIsHere

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so, you are saying that God could use nature ( that He created) to show displeasure with something in Bible times. but can't or won't do so now??

i do not think i want to test that theory.... a bit dangerous..
What is dangerous is reading the newspaper and looking for fulfillment of prophecy.

What is also dangerous is having God, post the crucifixion and resurrection in a constant state of agitation with humanity and lashing out through the use of lightening rods! :rolleyes:

And then those who are believers sitting on their high perch of "saved" which is totally of God not by their works, condemning the world, when Jesus clearly stated He did not come to condemn the world.

"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."
 

ZNP

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A Christian seeks Holy Spirit guidance, who will guide in ALL truth. Reliance on "debates" between alleged believers is a very carnal suggestion.
:unsure::(:confused::coffee:
There is nothing wrong with discussing Biblical doctrine and interpretation. If we both agree and subscribe to the items of the faith in Ephesians 4 we can certainly discuss non essential items like our understanding of eschatology.