Please help me to understand

[GaryA]

For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

God the Father put all things under the Son except Himself. The Son is always subject to the Father.

...how do you explain being subject to God?

I thought I explained it reasonably well in the OP of the thread that the link in post #18 points to...?

The answer all of you seek is actually pretty simple - God-the-Father and God-the-Son are not identically the same.

In terms of identity, the Father and Son are different/separate. Same God. But, not identically the same.

Which is why God is not His own Son.

Follow the link. Read the OP.

(Suggestion, not command or demand.)

 

[Falconn007]

No reason to be rude,

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

JESUS was 100% man and 100% GOD.

John 1:1 In the beginning ... geeeszzz mankind was not even created then ... DUH!!

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

>>>> You do know this is speaking about the risen Jesus Spirit ?!?

Colossians 2:1
1For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, 2that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ, 3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

4Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words.

5For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in Spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your Faith in Christ.

6As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead(a) bodily; 10and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

11In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,

12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through Faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

14having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

18Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19and not holding fast to the Head[refer to the above (a)], from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?

23These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

witness..

2 Corinthians 5:16
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

>>>> The nail in the coffin to your false : Jesus is 100% man(flesh) and 100% God doctrine.

 

[Ouch]

John 1:1 In the beginning ... geeeszzz mankind was not even created then ... DUH!!

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

>>>> You do know this is speaking about the risen Jesus Spirit ?!?

Colossians 2:1
1For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, 2that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ, 3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

4Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words.

5For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in Spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your Faith in Christ.

6As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead(a) bodily; 10and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

11In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,

12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through Faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

14having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

18Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19and not holding fast to the Head[refer to the above (a)], from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?

23These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

witness..

2 Corinthians 5:16
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

>>>> The nail in the coffin to your false : Jesus is 100% man(flesh) and 100% God doctrine.

Just can't help yourself, are you always rude or to those who share the truth in HIS word?

Next time use glue and screws, I got out.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You are 100% right no man was created, how does that change the meaning of it?


Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

This verse is clear saying that in JESUS is the father the son and the Holy GHost.

You see, JESUS told HIS disciples,

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Notice "IN THE NAME OF" JESUS'S disciples knew who HE was, how do I know this? Because they baptized in JESUS name.

I'm trying to figure out why you can't see?

I have to ask you, Have YOU received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

How were YOU baptized.

Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

The Holy Ghost is a promise to ALL.

 

[Psalm1]

The Word of God states otherwise :

Philippians 2:7

New Living Translation
Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,

King James Bible
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Amplified Bible
but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man].

Weymouth New Testament
Nay, He stripped Himself of His glory, and took on Him the nature of a bondservant by becoming a man like other men.

witness...

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

2 Corinthians 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sake He became poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich.

Isaiah 53:3
He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, acquainted with grief. Like one from whom men hide their faces, He was despised, and we esteemed Him not.

Hebrews 2:14-17
Now since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity, so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil, / and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. / For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham. ...

Romans 8:3
For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh,

Isaiah 42:1
“Here is My Servant, whom I uphold, My Chosen One, in whom My soul delights. I will put My Spirit on Him, and He will bring justice to the nations.

None of your verses indicate he gave up his deity


.....which he did not .

 

[Psalm1]

Jesus:
"I am the same, yesterday, today, and forever"

Yep.
He is.

He did not stop being the creator at his incarnation.

 

[Falconn007]

***just can't help yourself, are you always rude or to those who share the truth in HIS word?

>>>> Typical responce to the Truth, you attack the messenger as you can not rebuke the Word shared in Spirit.

***Next time use glue and screws, I got out.

>>>> Pretty dry humor... I need a drink.

***John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You are 100% right no man was created, how does that change the meaning of it?

>>>> Your false claimed that Jesus was both man and God at the same time, is carnal milk, it spits in the Spirit of Truth that Jesus had to suffer to regain his Glory, in layman terms EARN, by fulfilling the Will of the Father.

Stating Jesus was both flesh and God, spits in the Spiritual Truth :

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

>>>> How clearer can the Word of God be !?!

****Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

This verse is clear saying that in JESUS is the father the son and the Holy GHost.

>>>> Ah the idiotic triune doctrine, which is the three persons in one persons carnal mindset manure. I will tell you what, if you can post scriptures stating God is a person and the Holy Spirit is a person, well then son I will convert, but I am no holding my breathe on this failed vain attempt.


***You see, JESUS told HIS disciples,
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Notice "IN THE NAME OF" JESUS'S disciples knew who HE was, how do I know this? Because they baptized in JESUS name.
I'm trying to figure out why you can't see?
I have to ask you, Have YOU received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?
How were YOU baptized.

>>>> I am literally face palming with both hands, NOW....

I will share a simple Truth , that even a babe in Christ can discerned in Spirit.

This is what the Spirit of Jesus the Spirit of the Father and the Holy Spirit are referring too :

John 14:16
1“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

5Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”

6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

7“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”

9Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

10Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

12“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.

15“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

16And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
....
26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

>>>> This is that Spiritual Baptism from the waters of Life, whom is Jesus the Christ of God(Christ/Messiah meaning the Anointing or the Anointed one) : The Holy Spirit sent in Jesus's name by the Father Spirit. Which is the second coming of Jesus in Spirit.

There is a HUGE Truth you are not able to SEE in Spiritual Truth:

"But the Helper, παράκλητος (paraklētos) Strong's 3875. paraklétos

>>>> This verse clarifies who the Helper(paraklētos) is :

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

an Advocate παράκλητον (paraklēton) Strong's 3875. paraklétos

>>>> The Faithful, who receive this Spiritual 3875. paraklétos are baptize in Spirit, by this second coming of Jesus in Spirit.

Only in Spirit, does Jesus come like a thief in the night(the darkness of mankind's ignorance/carnal knowledge)

There is a lot more here to discern in Spiritual knowledge, but seeing as you are of the triune doctrine I will just shake my sandals and move on, knowing you will not/ can not receive this Spirit of Truth.


27Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

29“And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe.

30I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here.

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>>>> The rest of your post basically restates what I just shared but you have no Spirit to discern this truth, as you have chosen to instead to wrap yourself in the doctrines of mankind(flesh) and so what you posted is simply Jesus in Spirit, coming in your darkness.


Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

The Holy Ghost is a promise to ALL.[/QUOTE]

>>>> I will leave you now.... just simply ignore me

 

[Falconn007]

None of your verses indicate he gave up his deity


.....which he did not .

Do you guys travel in packs.... ?!?

Into the ignore bin you go ...

 

[Psalm1]

Do you guys travel in packs.... ?!?

Into the ignore bin you go ...

If that's all it takes?

My post was neutral and pointed to a fact.

Touchy huh?

 

[Psalm1]

John 1:1 In the beginning ... geeeszzz mankind was not even created then ... DUH!!

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

>>>> You do know this is speaking about the risen Jesus Spirit ?!?

Colossians 2:1
1For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, 2that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ, 3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

4Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words.

5For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in Spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your Faith in Christ.

6As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead(a) bodily; 10and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

11In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,

12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through Faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

14having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

18Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19and not holding fast to the Head[refer to the above (a)], from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?

23These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

witness..

2 Corinthians 5:16
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

>>>> The nail in the coffin to your false : Jesus is 100% man(flesh) and 100% God doctrine.

Let me guess.
Verses that speak of Jesus deity offend you?
Heb rews ch 1; " ...the FATHER says of te Son, 'thy throne O GOD is forever and ever""

Bet that one really stinks too huh?

 

[Psalm1]

***just can't help yourself, are you always rude or to those who share the truth in HIS word?

>>>> Typical responce to the Truth, you attack the messenger as you can not rebuke the Word shared in Spirit.

***Next time use glue and screws, I got out.

>>>> Pretty dry humor... I need a drink.

***John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You are 100% right no man was created, how does that change the meaning of it?

>>>> Your false claimed that Jesus was both man and God at the same time, is carnal milk, it spits in the Spirit of Truth that Jesus had to suffer to regain his Glory, in layman terms EARN, by fulfilling the Will of the Father.

Stating Jesus was both flesh and God, spits in the Spiritual Truth :

Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.

>>>> How clearer can the Word of God be !?!

****Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

This verse is clear saying that in JESUS is the father the son and the Holy GHost.

>>>> Ah the idiotic triune doctrine, which is the three persons in one persons carnal mindset manure. I will tell you what, if you can post scriptures stating God is a person and the Holy Spirit is a person, well then son I will convert, but I am no holding my breathe on this failed vain attempt.


***You see, JESUS told HIS disciples,
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Notice "IN THE NAME OF" JESUS'S disciples knew who HE was, how do I know this? Because they baptized in JESUS name.
I'm trying to figure out why you can't see?
I have to ask you, Have YOU received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?
How were YOU baptized.

>>>> I am literally face palming with both hands, NOW....

I will share a simple Truth , that even a babe in Christ can discerned in Spirit.

This is what the Spirit of Jesus the Spirit of the Father and the Holy Spirit are referring too :

John 14:16
1“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4And where I go you know, and the way you know.”

5Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?”

6Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

7“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”

8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.”

9Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

10Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

12“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.

15“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

16And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
....
26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

>>>> This is that Spiritual Baptism from the waters of Life, whom is Jesus the Christ of God(Christ/Messiah meaning the Anointing or the Anointed one) : The Holy Spirit sent in Jesus's name by the Father Spirit. Which is the second coming of Jesus in Spirit.

There is a HUGE Truth you are not able to SEE in Spiritual Truth:

"But the Helper, παράκλητος (paraklētos) Strong's 3875. paraklétos

>>>> This verse clarifies who the Helper(paraklētos) is :

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

an Advocate παράκλητον (paraklēton) Strong's 3875. paraklétos

>>>> The Faithful, who receive this Spiritual 3875. paraklétos are baptize in Spirit, by this second coming of Jesus in Spirit.

Only in Spirit, does Jesus come like a thief in the night(the darkness of mankind's ignorance/carnal knowledge)

There is a lot more here to discern in Spiritual knowledge, but seeing as you are of the triune doctrine I will just shake my sandals and move on, knowing you will not/ can not receive this Spirit of Truth.


27Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

28You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.

29“And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe.

30I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do. Arise, let us go from here.

---------------------------------------------

>>>> The rest of your post basically restates what I just shared but you have no Spirit to discern this truth, as you have chosen to instead to wrap yourself in the doctrines of mankind(flesh) and so what you posted is simply Jesus in Spirit, coming in your darkness.


Acts 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

The Holy Ghost is a promise to ALL.

>>>> I will leave you now.... just simply ignore me [/QUOTE]
Good trinity verses!

Looks like you are learning something.

Now include the ones that offend you.

 

[Wansvic]

....

Ridicule is not the answer, discussion is.

You may want to consider what the word reveals:
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. " 1 Tim. 3;16


"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isa. 9:6


"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." Rev 1:8-18

 

[Wansvic]

John 1:1 In the beginning ... geeeszzz mankind was not even created then ... DUH!!

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

>>>> You do know this is speaking about the risen Jesus Spirit ?!?

Colossians 2:1
1For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, 2that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ, 3in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

4Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words.

5For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in Spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your Faith in Christ.

6As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it with thanksgiving.

8Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

9For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead(a) bodily; 10and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

11In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,

12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through Faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

13And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

14having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

18Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

19and not holding fast to the Head[refer to the above (a)], from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21“Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?

23These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

witness..

2 Corinthians 5:16
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.

>>>> The nail in the coffin to your false : Jesus is 100% man(flesh) and 100% God doctrine.

You may want to read the following in its entirety. Keep in mind that the fruit of the Spirit does not include ridicule:

"The word "ridicule" is defined as subjecting someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive mockery. It is often a malicious act of belittling, which can be a sign of a mocker's own foolishness and a lack of wisdom. The Bible provides guidance on how to respond to ridicule, encouraging believers to react with patience and forgiveness, to expect it as part of their faith, and to remember that God is the ultimate judge.

How ridicule is defined

• Belittling language or behavior: It involves making someone or something the object of laughter and scorn.
• Malicious intent: It is often deliberate and intended to cause harm or show contempt.
• Associated with foolishness: The Bible often portrays ridicule as a foolish behavior, and describes mockers as those who seek wisdom in vain.

Biblical guidance on how to respond

• Do not retaliate: The Bible encourages responding to ridicule with patience and blessing, not with curses or anger.
• Expect it: Believers are told to expect persecution and ridicule, and to not be surprised by it.
• Focus on the reward: The Bible frames ridicule in the context of a greater, eternal reward for those who endure it for their faith.
• Be gentle and humble: The Bible teaches that believers should be gentle and show true humility to everyone, even those who ridicule them. " Internet exerpt

 

[Falconn007]

Ridicule is not the answer, discussion is.

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." Rev 1:8-18

***Ridicule is not the answer, .*** - oh I agree, especially the ridicule of God's Word.

I have only one question for you, before I leave you.

How did a God die ?!? -> "I ... was dead;"

If you can not discern these are Spirit-parables, then it is a telling sign you are in God's stupor, of which I am not about to try and oppose nor advocate on your behalf, you have Jesus's Spirit for that.

If you are not able to discern the Spirit of Truth in your darkness, well what more can I discuss with you, so that you may have enlightenment when you have NO OIL !?!

Understand I will not tolerate the 'carnal knowledge' you will grasp at to deceivingly explain your carnal doctrine.

 

[Falconn007]

You may want to read the following in its entirety. Keep in mind that the fruit of the Spirit does not include ridicule:

"The word "ridicule" is defined as subjecting someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive mockery. It is often a malicious act of belittling, which can be a sign of a mocker's own foolishness and a lack of wisdom. The Bible provides guidance on how to respond to ridicule, encouraging believers to react with patience and forgiveness, to expect it as part of their faith, and to remember that God is the ultimate judge.

How ridicule is defined

• Belittling language or behavior: It involves making someone or something the object of laughter and scorn.
• Malicious intent: It is often deliberate and intended to cause harm or show contempt.
• Associated with foolishness: The Bible often portrays ridicule as a foolish behavior, and describes mockers as those who seek wisdom in vain.

Biblical guidance on how to respond

• Do not retaliate: The Bible encourages responding to ridicule with patience and blessing, not with curses or anger.
• Expect it: Believers are told to expect persecution and ridicule, and to not be surprised by it.
• Focus on the reward: The Bible frames ridicule in the context of a greater, eternal reward for those who endure it for their faith.
• Be gentle and humble: The Bible teaches that believers should be gentle and show true humility to everyone, even those who ridicule them. " Internet exerpt

NOT! one scripture... gee I wonder why ?!?

AHEM ....

1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. 4For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues,

7greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.

9Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whoever exalts himself will be [e]humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

13“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.

15“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

16“Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’ 17Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?

18And, ‘Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.’ 19Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift? 20Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it. 21He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.

23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone. 24Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

25“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. 28Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.

29“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’

31“Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of Sheol?

34Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

37“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate;

39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

>>>> HEY! Hypocrite , should I be as subtle as Jesus is Here !?!

You stated : "the Spirit does not include ridicule"

"How ridicule is defined

• Belittling language or behavior: It involves making someone or something the object of laughter and scorn.
• Malicious intent: It is often deliberate and intended to cause harm or show contempt.
• Associated with foolishness: The Bible often portrays ridicule as a foolish behavior, and describes mockers as those who seek wisdom in vain."

Jesus just broke all of your mankind's definitions, what say you NOW to Jesus !?!

I have Faith in Jesus, who did just that to show your ignorant-errors.

Here is a Truth you may want to consider, and it comes with a lot of SPIRITUAL CREDIBILITY, Jesus himself :

Luke 17:2
It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

It seems the focus is on 'ridiculing' to have me banned from here, is it not ... How telling!! yeah keep grasping at your carnal straw-man.

 

[Falconn007]

>>>> I will leave you now.... just simply ignore me

Good trinity verses!

Looks like you are learning something.

Now include the ones that offend you.[/QUOTE]

On the contrary I just no longer indulge in carnal worldly doctrines of man-flesh.

Here are verses that kill the childish triune doctrine , that YOU yourself will not even attempt to oppose the Word of God, that is if you have any common sense.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

1 Timothy 2:5
for [there is] one God, also one mediator of God and of men—the man Christ Jesus,

1 Corinthians 15:28
Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him[God the Father] who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

witness...

Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Colossians 1:3
We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

>>>> Now either your doctrine is false or God is contradicting !?!

1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

>>>> I have Faith in God not you, so your triune doctrine is a carnal farce.

 

[Psalm1]

On the contrary I just no longer indulge in carnal worldly doctrines of man-flesh.

Here are verses that kill the childish triune doctrine , that YOU yourself will not even attempt to oppose the Word of God, that is if you have any common sense.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
1 Timothy 2:5
for [there is] one God, also one mediator of God and of men—the man Christ Jesus,
1 Corinthians 15:28
Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him[God the Father] who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
witness...
Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Colossians 1:3
We give thanks to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
>>>> Now either your doctrine is false or God is contradicting !?!
1 Corinthians 14:33
For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
>>>> I have Faith in God not you, so your triune doctrine is a carnal farce.

The deity of Jesus.

Was Jesus created?

I don't post ANYTHING that is NOT in God's Word.

The word trinity does not scare me or move me.

I am not trying to mentally reinvent what the Bible says about Jesus.

You seem to be on a quest to nullify what the Father says about the Son.
Heb 1
7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

 

[Psalm1]

[QUOTE="Falconn007, post: 5632419, member:
Here are verses that kill the childish triune doctrine , that YOU yourself will not even attempt to oppose the Word of God, that is if you have any common sense.

John 14:28
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

1 Timothy 2:5
for [there is] one God, also one mediator of God and of men—the man Christ Jesus,

1 Corinthians 15:28
Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him[God the Father] who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

I have Faith in God not you, so your triune doctrine is a carnal farce.[/QUOTE]


Lol
You left off the deity of Jesus verses to prove they don't exist????

Huh?

 

[Psalm1]

***Ridicule is not the answer, .*** - oh I agree, especially the ridicule of God's Word.

I have only one question for you, before I leave you.

How did a God die ?!? -> "I ... was dead;"

If you can not discern these are Spirit-parables, then it is a telling sign you are in God's stupor, of which I am not about to try and oppose nor advocate on your behalf, you have Jesus's Spirit for that.

If you are not able to discern the Spirit of Truth in your darkness, well what more can I discuss with you, so that you may have enlightenment when you have NO OIL !?!

Understand I will not tolerate the 'carnal knowledge' you will grasp at to deceivingly explain your carnal doctrine.

Carnal would be pretending the deity of Jesus verses do not exist.
Then omitting them to prove it.

Lol

 

[Falconn007]

The deity of Jesus.

Was Jesus created?

I don't post ANYTHING that is NOT in God's Word.

The word trinity does not scare me or move me.

I am not trying to mentally reinvent what the Bible says about Jesus.

You seem to be on a quest to nullify what the Father says about the Son.
Heb 1
7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

NO assumption quest as you erroneously state, the truth is God created Jesus.

As Jesus is his Son, so to are we all his children , not of FLESH but of Spirit.

You can not grasp how the Spirit moves so you continuously grasp with limited carnal knowledge.

The Word was God , equates God with his Word. It is along the very same mantra as a person stating " I give you my word"

witness...

John 10:34
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’?

Jesus is not saying we are each a god, but that we are all God's, WE BELONG TO God just as Jesus does. because of God's unbound Spirit within.

It seems you are dead set on your religious theories, I say wait til judgment perhaps then you will discern Truth.

 

[Falconn007]

The deity of Jesus.

Was Jesus created?

Yes, Jesus is created.

Colossians 1:15 ("firstborn of all creation") and Revelation 3:14 ("beginning of the creation by God"

To share this truth :

Jesus is the WISDOM of God, if you KNOW Jesus and God's relationship, there is absolutely noway, anyone would disagree here , is this not Truth !?!

1 Corinthians 1:24
but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

witness...

Colossians 2:3
in[Jesus] whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

>>>> The OT even testified to this truth :

Isaiah 11:2
The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him—the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and strength, the Spirit of knowledge and fear of the LORD.

Here is the creation of God's Wisdom[Jesus] :

Proverbs 8
12“I, wisdom, dwell with prudence,
And find out knowledge and discretion.
13The fear of the Lord is to hate evil;
Pride and arrogance and the evil way
And the perverse mouth I hate.
14Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom;
I am understanding, I have strength.
15By me kings reign,
And rulers decree justice.
16By me princes rule, and nobles,
All the judges of the earth.
17I love those who love me,
And those who seek me diligently will find me.
18Riches and honor are with me,
Enduring riches and righteousness.
19My fruit is better than gold, yes, than fine gold,
And my revenue than choice silver.
20I traverse the way of righteousness,
In the midst of the paths of justice,
21That I may cause those who love me to inherit wealth,
That I may fill their treasuries.

22“The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way,
Before His works of old.
23I have been established from everlasting,
From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.
24When there were no depths I was brought forth,
When there were no fountains abounding with water.
25Before the mountains were settled,
Before the hills, I was brought forth;
26While as yet He had not made the earth or the fields,
Or the primal dust of the world.
27When He prepared the heavens, I was there,
When He drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28When He established the clouds above,
When He strengthened the fountains of the deep,
29When He assigned to the sea its limit,
So that the waters would not transgress His command,
When He marked out the foundations of the earth,
30Then I was beside Him as a master craftsman;
And I was daily His delight,
Rejoicing always before Him,
31Rejoicing in His inhabited world,
And my delight was with the sons of men.

32“Now therefore, listen to me, my children,
For blessed are those who keep my ways.
33Hear instruction and be wise,

And do not disdain it.

34Blessed is the man who listens to me,
Watching daily at my gates,
Waiting at the posts of my doors.
35For whoever finds me finds life,
And obtains favor from the Lord;
36But he who sins against me wrongs his own soul;
All those who hate me love death.”

>>>> I know, it is hard to let go of all your carnal riches, That is why Jesus gave the parable of Lazarus and the richman. However it all comes down to choice, you either receive this Truth in Spirit or reject this Truth.

This is what the Word of God states, despite your mocking of me... "You seem to be on a quest to nullify what the Father says about the Son."