Personal questions

[Silverwings]

If you are remarried your whole devotion should be to your new spouse, it is cheating to do otherwise , and i think you already knew that?

 

[Silverwings]

"Be Fruitful and multiply and fill the earth", was commanded by God TWICE and only TWICE in scripture.

If that was the only reason then you would have to take Song of Solomen out of the bible, because it is all about pleasure.

 

[presidente]

If you are remarried your whole devotion should be to your new spouse, it is cheating to do otherwise , and i think you already knew that?

Cheating with the dead?

Does the Bible forbid 'cheating'? It forbids adultery, lying, coveting, etc.

 

[presidente]

This is hypothetical. I kind of wish I'd taken some pictures of my wife when she was 25. She still looks good, so at 60, I might be wishing I'd taken some photos like that when she was her age now. But I just can't bear the thought of my kids finding them when we die. If I were a widower and remarried, and had taken photos like that, I'd probably get rid of the risque ones if my current wife requested it out of respect for her, but kept the presentable ones I wouldn't mind my kids finding. The issue is whether it is a _sin_ to look longingly on the photos. Can you covet your own deceased wife if she was your wife... and deceased at that?

 

[CS1]

I know for a fact it’s not a lie. Why would you assume others are liars when the subject is an act you apparently never performed, never thought about until now or never found any foreboding of it in scripture?



Has God given us the ability to love and be loved? Has God sanctified marriage?

Until somebody can show me scripture that debunks my belief in this issue or my savior Jesus sees it righteous to have me know I’m in error, I can only see and believe the issue as how I see and believe it.

because if one has to think about having sex with their spouse through masturbation when they have passed away that is not love that was an addiction. I guess the only value a spouse has is sex. Nothing in the word of God even remotely suggest what you are saying is biblical. FYI sex is not love it is an expression of it and not the only one. The issue is not what I have done it is the context of IF the Word of God support it.

That is what I am talking about, if you want engage in masturbation then keep it to yourself and don't get upset because those here will not list the word of God to make you feel better about your sexual addiction. Stop acting like a sexual voyeur trying to shock those here with your little masturbation section. I think you are just a troll personally.

 

[hornetguy]

because if one has to think about having sex with their spouse through masturbation when they have passed away that is not love that was an addiction. I guess the only value a spouse has is sex. Nothing in the word of God even remotely suggest what you are saying is biblical. FYI sex is not love it is an expression of it and not the only one. The issue is not what I have done it is the context of IF the Word of God support it.

That is what I am talking about, if you want engage in masturbation then keep it to yourself and don't get upset because those here will not list the word of God to make you feel better about your sexual addiction. Stop acting like a sexual voyeur trying to shock those here with your little masturbation section. I think you are just a troll personally.

Good grief....

I mean.... good grief. This whole thread is a discussion about masturbation.... trying to ridicule and belittle a participant in that discussion who is legitimately contributing to the discussion is very "telling".

This is beneath you, and personally, I think you owe them an apology.... but that's just me.

 

[Robo36]

If you are remarried your whole devotion should be to your new spouse, it is cheating to do otherwise , and i think you already knew that?

I totally agree.

 

[Robo36]

because if one has to think about having sex with their spouse through masturbation when they have passed away that is not love that was an addiction.

An addiction to what? Explain please! Are you calling a loving physical sexual relationship with one’s wife/husband an addiction to what, sex or love?

I guess the only value a spouse has is sex.

And you have determined that opinion how?

Nothing in the word of God even remotely suggest what you are saying is biblical.

“Biblical” is what I seek, I in no way am attempting to add to the Bible, I’m simply attempting to know and understand the word of the Lord in the Bible. Why do you pervert my intention?

FYI sex is not love it is an expression of it and not the only one.

“Love” in my opinion is an “expression” in and of itself. The question is, if you misunderstand it is, when is sexual expression of a marital sexual pleasure, actual or memorized sin, displeasing to our Lord, or an expression of love accepted by our Lord? So far you’ve only convinced me that all marital actual physical activities are justified and acceptable to our Lord, yet you condemn sexual physical pleasure in memory of the physical acts of a loving pleasurable marriage. Your condemnation seems to be based in a taboo opinion of a sexual physical act begun by the majority of humans at a juvenile time and considered by most to be a natural action?

The issue is not what I have done it is the context of IF the Word of God support it.

Since you cannot give any Biblical scripture to either support or condemn masturbation, I can only rely on my prayers to our Lord to direct me in my beliefs.

That is what I am talking about, if you want engage in masturbation then keep it to yourself and don't get upset because those here will not list the word of God to make you feel better about your sexual addiction.

You’ll find no post of mine displaying “MY” masturbation if it indeed does exist. You’ll only find logical and needed questions of fellowship for my Christian brothers and sisters. I seek guidance here to understand God’s scriptures and know his direction.

Stop acting like a sexual voyeur trying to shock those here with your little masturbation section. I think you are just a troll personally.

If that’s what you believe I’m doing, why are you replying? I do believe you’re under no mandate to participate in this thread, please ignore it.

 

[CS1]

An addiction to what? Explain please! Are you calling a loving physical sexual relationship with one’s wife/husband an addiction to what, sex or love?



And you have determined that opinion how?



“Biblical” is what I seek, I in no way am attempting to add to the Bible, I’m simply attempting to know and understand the word of the Lord in the Bible. Why do you pervert my intention?



“Love” in my opinion is an “expression” in and of itself. The question is, if you misunderstand it is, when is sexual expression of a marital sexual pleasure, actual or memorized sin, displeasing to our Lord, or an expression of love accepted by our Lord? So far you’ve only convinced me that all marital actual physical activities are justified and acceptable to our Lord, yet you condemn sexual physical pleasure in the memory of the physical acts of a loving pleasurable marriage. Your condemnation seems to be based in a taboo opinion of a sexual physical act begun by the majority of humans at a juvenile time and considered by most to be a natural action?



Since you cannot give any Biblical scripture to either support or condemn masturbation, I can only rely on my prayers to our Lord to direct me in my beliefs.





You’ll find no post of mine displaying “MY” masturbation if it indeed does exist. You’ll only find logical and needed questions of fellowship for my Christian brothers and sisters. I seek guidance here to understand God’s scriptures and know his direction.



If that’s what you believe I’m doing, why are you replying? I do believe you’re under no mandate to participate in this thread, please ignore it.

if you cannot understand the context of what is an "actual sexual relationship" with one's wife or husband over the "fantasy" of doing so in the act of self-gratification that is deeply disturbing.

The main reason why is, because you have interjected a sexual act of one to another or the thought of another as being love. It is not. Here is why your understanding is wrong.

You said and I quote: “Love” in my opinion is an “expression” in and of itself. "

This mind-set is very deceptive and here is why:

When one masturbating how is the expression of Love being conveyed to the dead wife or husband? IT IS NOT.
it is only self-gratification that only benefits the one doing it. Therefore the world calls it " self-love" which is not love at all.
it is an act of selfishness and a lack of self-control.

"Are you calling a loving physical sexual relationship with one’s wife/husband an addiction to what, sex or love?"

Just so you know Masturbating is not a loving physical sexual relationship with one's wife/husband.
You need two people for that, one wife and one husband. Masturbating falls short on love and a sexual relationship.

If you truly seek " Bible " and the context to how Gods sees this act you are greatly defending, it is clear you are not seeing the deception in your Biblical understanding.



"you condemn sexual physical pleasure in the memory of the physical acts of a loving pleasurable marriage. Your condemnation seems to be based in a taboo"

I am not be condemning, the word of God does not support your self-gratifying acts of what you think is love.

You cannot express love to a dead person nor can the dead person express it to you. That is self-deception.
You are acting like a person suffering from an addiction to being a voyeur.

Lies you created about masturbation :

1. The act of MB is love being expressed to another that is dead
2. The act of MB is a sexual relationship without two people
3. One can have a sexual relationship without being in a relationship
4. Love is an expression that some who is dead can enjoy

I will stop there because I think I have made a very strong point.

Yes, there is nothing that says I have to be a part of your thread, however, I will say my opinion none the less as all can do. You just have to say you disagree. I have been respectful but firm. I have answered all of your questions. If what I said was untruthful why are you defensive? Most people addicted to drugs and sex are defensive when you breakdown what they really love: the dope and sex.

Because they make up in their mind justification for what they do even as go as far as bring in one who has died, or the so-called lack of evidence in the word of God to say it is wrong. I have spoken to you the truth, and you know it is wrong for you to do such a thing or you would not look for one to agree with your position of this sexual act.

You know it is wrong, no different than another thread asking if bring gay is wrong. You tried to use the "sympathy" of a dead love one to justify this perverted act.

As a person who was formerly addicted to sex until Christ set me free. I can tell you I know all the games. The devil is a liar. Jesus has come to set you free and heal the broken heart.

now I am done.

 

[tourist]

That should be,
Is it wrong to keep them and look at them if your spouse dies and you get remarried?

Yes, that would be inappropriate for a man that has remarried.

 

[hornetguy]

As a person who was formerly addicted to sex until Christ set me free. I can tell you I know all the games. The devil is a liar. Jesus has come to set you free and heal the broken heart.

now I am done.

That explains a lot. I have never seen anybody as rigid and unforgiving to others as a recovered addict. If you don't see things exactly the way I do, then you are WRONG.

In light of that, I propose we simply agree to disagree. You can't see past your recovery, and you haven't said anything to convince me that ANY self pleasure is wrong... given that God gave us sexual desires and urges. HE is the one that put "pleasure" in sexual matters. He could just as easily made humans to have an urge once a year or so to engage in mechanical intercourse in order to procreate, with zero interest the rest of the year..... yet He did not make us that way.

 

[Robo36]

if you cannot understand the context of what is an "actual sexual relationship" with one's wife or husband over the "fantasy" of doing so in the act of self-gratification that is deeply disturbing.

I have noticed your disturbance with the idea.

The main reason why is, because you have interjected a sexual act of one to another or the thought of another as being love. It is not. Here is why your understanding is wrong.



You said and I quote: “Love” in my opinion is an “expression” in and of itself. "

I believe love is what one does/displays affectionately toward another. I find no discrepancies in one displaying privately his/her love for a departed spouse. Either by the way of death or having to be separated for a time from the spouse.

This mind-set is very deceptive and here is why:



When one masturbating how is the expression of Love being conveyed to the dead wife or husband? IT IS NOT.

Apparently you deny the power of the “memory.” Sad!

it is only self-gratification that only benefits the one doing it. Therefore the world calls it " self-love" which is not love at all.

it is an act of selfishness and a lack of self-control.[/quote
I care not what “the world” calls it, I only care what my Lord and Savior calls it and instructs us according to it biblically. That’s what this thread is all about. I find no condemnation or blessings of it biblically, thus I’ve ask my fellow Christians to teach and or opine to me about the issue and ask for their input. Apparently you believe I intend to pervert the forum with Satanic conversation. I assure you if this is what’s being displayed here, I apologize to you, it’s not my intent.

"Are you calling a loving physical sexual relationship with one’s wife/husband an addiction to what, sex or love?"

Likely both! A love so strong it can be defined as an “addiction” is a thing of beauty, in my opinion. Apparently, unlike you I fail to see a loving marital sexual relationship as anything other than beautiful. I find no sin in it.

Just so you know Masturbating is not a loving physical sexual relationship with one's wife/husband.

I believe masturbation is a “natural” act, as proven by extensive research by sexologist . I believe masturbation only becomes sin when in accord with its mental stimulation it incorporates mental sinful actions.

I believe masturbation can be a loving and gratifying experience when it incorporates loving bedroom memories of one’s departed wife/husband.

You need two people for that, one wife and one husband. Masturbating falls short on love and a sexual relationship.

Two people are incorporated in what I’m defining as a mental and physical memorial relationship. Explain please why they are not.

If you truly seek " Bible " and the context to how Gods sees this act you are greatly defending, it is clear you are not seeing the deception in your Biblical understanding.

You’ve tried very hard to convince me I’m posting self deception and fail biblical understanding. I can’t agree with your opinions, because they fail producing any evidence. The evidence I rely on is God’s nature and his scriptural offerings. God is silent on masturbation by any other name. But God tells us what sin is and Jesus warns us about “mental” sin. And even you have posted scripture about the innocence of the loving marital bedroom. I propose that those mental memories do not depart with most because of a departure of one’s spouse.

I am not be condemning, the word of God does not support your self-gratifying acts of what you think is love.

Nor does scripture condemn what I believe can be a loving memorial relationship with a departed spouse.

I believe love is the fondness of the heart, the desire to please another. The greater those emotions, the greater the love. How do you define love?

You cannot express love to a dead person nor can the dead person express it to you. That is self-deception.

Love doesn’t require a display of it by more than one person. You buy flowers for you wife to display your love, is she required to then give you a gift? Your wife is maybe a nurse or doctor called away abroad to serve others in distress for a long period, do you simply forget her?

You are acting like a person suffering from an addiction to being a voyeur.

Your opinion is noted and rejected!

Lies you created about masturbation :

Your opinion is noted and rejected!

The act of MB is love being expressed to another that is dead.

And the sin is?

The act of MB is a sexual relationship without two people.

The sin is?

One can have a sexual relationship without being in a relationship

And a loving memory fails your “relationship” test because?

Love is an expression that some who is dead can enjoy
I will stop there because I think I have made a very strong point.

And who has insinuated that a person that has passed away can enjoy a sexual relationship?

 

[presidente]

Yes, that would be inappropriate for a man that has remarried.

Inappropriate? But is it sinful? If so, what sin is it, and why?

The new wife probably wouldn't like it. What if she were cool with it... or didn't know?

Again, no stash of nudie pics of my wife, here. This is just a hypothetical question. I'm tempted to bring up the idea of the time traveling widower going back for a romantic time with wife number 1 while past self was away on a business trip, but that is too far fetched for serious comment.

 

[presidente]

If you are remarried your whole devotion should be to your new spouse, it is cheating to do otherwise , and i think you already knew that?

The Bible says to love the LORD with all your heart, all your mind, and all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. A man is to love his wife as his own body.

 

[CS1]

I have noticed your disturbance with the idea.





I believe love is what one does/displays affectionately toward another. I find no discrepancies in one displaying privately his/her love for a departed spouse. Either by the way of death or having to be separated for a time from the spouse.



Apparently you deny the power of the “memory.” Sad!

I think your personal question is not one from a Biblical standpoint anymore. Clearly, you are going to think about what you want.

I am denying memory, I do not agree to masturbate while thinking od a dead spouse is something Jesus would do. Or God would endorse. The problem here is simple. You have a perverted spirit and you are looking to justify the act no matter what Gods have said or think about it.

I am not disturbed by you at all . You can continue to do whatever is in your heart, but you cannot show from the word of God HE will accept your so-called acts of love while thinking of dead love one LOL

 

[tourist]

Inappropriate? But is it sinful? If so, what sin is it, and why?

The new wife probably wouldn't like it. What if she were cool with it... or didn't know?

Again, no stash of nudie pics of my wife, here. This is just a hypothetical question. I'm tempted to bring up the idea of the time traveling widower going back for a romantic time with wife number 1 while past self was away on a business trip, but that is too far fetched for serious comment.

The thing is, when a man remarries he now has a new wife.

Let me ask you this, would the new wife be upset if her husband was looking at naked pictures of his late wife? I would surmise that not only would she be upset, she would be very hurt and probably feel a little betrayed.

It may not be a sin but it would be an unwise thing to do.

Yeah, the husband could keep it a secret but by doing so he is admitting to himself that doing this is simply not right. I can't imagine any new wife that would be cool with this. The time travel scenario sounds problematic. If it were me I would not be thinking of my late wife in a romantic way while on a business trip, but I may however be thinking romantic intimate thoughts of my new wife. As it should be.

 

[Silverwings]

https://biblereasons.com/contacting-the-dead/

 

[presidente]

https://biblereasons.com/contacting-the-dead/

That's one way of looking at the time travel scenario.