Persecution

[leonardronaldo]

Let us pray for the persecuted. I m the victim. Our argument may hurt others. Let us come forwad for the persecured to help them to stay strong in the Lord. There is no benefit of debate.am i benefitted. I request grey and leonard to focus on persecuted people

I am trying to understand what hinduism teach brother, whether these are on their teachings or not.
I did pray for you and other Indian Christians, and I will do it again.
I will also pray for grey since what I saw in his info is he is still unsure on his belief.

 

[savedNblessed]

Okay so I haven't been on CC in a while. But when I got back and read this conversation, I would like to say one thing, if any of you would like search "Godhra Riots" on Google. You will get a slight idea of how extreme Hinduism and Islam could be.

Edited: Lets not stray away from the original post here, which is persecution of our brothers and sisters in Christ!

 

[blessdani]

yea Saved.....he came to help the people here.....but they burned him and his two sons alive
but the thing that touched me the most was that Gladys Stains forgave the people who burned her husband and her two little sons.....I thank God for her.....

 

[leonardronaldo]

Okay so I haven't been on CC in a while. But when I got back and read this conversation, I would like to say one thing, if any of you would like search "Godhra Riots" on Google. You will get a slight idea of how extreme Hinduism and Islam could be.

Edited: Lets not stray away from the original post here, which is persecution of our brothers and sisters in Christ!

Islam itself is extreme.
That's what I want to discover, whether it is the case also in hinduism or not.

Persecution will always be suffered by Christians who wants to live Godly life. I am quoting from Jesus and Paul, anyway.

Let's ask strength from the Holy Spirit.

 

[wanderer6059]

anyone and everyone is capable of being persecuted and persecuting others even good Christians when we do tho we need to see the error of our way and learn from our failure and grow more as Christians because coming to Christ doesn't happen overnight it's the journey of our life and we are likely to mess up in some way we become Christians is learning from the greatest mistake and then grow by learning from our own

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The answer isn't a simple yes or no leonardronaldo. If you hold to Indo-Aryan migration theory, then Hinduism began as a synthesis of pre-Aryan pantheistic paganism and the monotheistic Aryan warrior religion that resulted in a strange pantheistic polytheistic monotheism we call Hinduism today.

I realize this sounds totally contradictory but think of it like most Hindus do: all gods and goddesses in Hinduism arose as emanations of the one God who pervades everything (e.g. the impersonal Brahman).

This is why it's so easy to get an Indian to accept Jesus as God. They view him as simply another emanation of Brahman just like all the many other gods and goddesses in Hinduism. It's when you tell them that Jesus is the ONLY God that you come under attack lol (and hopefully not by a demonically possessed Hindu as almost happened to me once after explaining this).

Hindu literature begins with the four Vedas: the Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda and Atharva Veda. These are the primary texts of Hinduism and they have greatly influenced Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism. Scholars believe the Rig Veda (the oldest Veda) was composed about 1500 B.C., codified about 600 B.C., and written in Sanskrit sometime after 300 B.C. following Alexander the Greek's conquest. Hymns, incantations, and rituals are in the Vedas along with the Book of the Dead, the Enuma Elish, the I Ching, and the Avesta.

Next is the Upanishads which are a continuation of Vedic philosophy written between 800 and 400 B.C.. They elaborate on how the soul can be united with Brahman through contemplation and mediation and contain the doctrine of Karma.

Then there are the Puranas which are post-Vedic texts containing a historical narrative of the history of the Universe from creation to destruction, genealogies of the kings, heroes and demigods, and descriptions of Hindu cosmology and geography.

There are 17 or 18 canonical Puranas, divided into three categories, each named after a deity: Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. There are also many other works termed Purana, known as Upapuranas.

Other texts include Hindu law books, the Satapatha Brahmana (a primary source for Vedic-era mythology, philosophy and magical practices), the Grihya Sutras, the Epics of India, and the Bhagavad Gita. Later texts include the Yoga Sutras.

The average Westerner’s view of Hinduism is largely formed by Ghandi’s life and teachings which were a deviation in important respects from more traditional Hinduism as a result of his exposure to the Gospel and especially the Sermon on the Mount. Most Westerners would be surprised to hear of the persecution of Christians and human sacrifice.

Ancient Hindus sacrificed humans and animals on sacrificial altars as a regular and integral part of Hindu religious expression. Despite being against the law, of course, human sacrifice still occurs rarely at Hindu temples today in secret ceremonies today.

Without getting into reams of data and information about Hinduism but answering your question, it's a paradoxical false religious system which teaches that war is undesirable and avoidable; however, also teaches that if a better path arises through war (or violence within the teachings of Hinduism) than war and violence are justified.

 

[savedNblessed]

Every last Saturday of the month, there is an Indian Christian gathering in our church. A lot of Indians from around the area join us in worshipping our LORD. In the gathering last Saturday, a missionary was here from the state of Orrisa(Odisha) in India. That region of India is "persecution capital" in my belief. Anyways, so he had brought this video with him of Christmas celebration from last year. So they played the video and everyone started watching it with interest. Then came the "scary" part. The Hindu extremist active in that area, all of a sudden decided to do a parade and attacked the church they were having the service in. Everyone scattered but three young guys got caught. And what happened to them is my words can't describe

Christian Persecution in Orissa, India - a News & Politics video(2).mp4 - YouTube Please watch this video.

And oh yea the people in the brown outfits are the "POLICE".

This is persecution, my friends

 

[homwardbound]

Every last Saturday of the month, there is an Indian Christian gathering in our church. A lot of Indians from around the area join us in worshipping our LORD. In the gathering last Saturday, a missionary was here from the state of Orrisa(Odisha) in India. That region of India is "persecution capital" in my belief. Anyways, so he had brought this video with him of Christmas celebration from last year. So they played the video and everyone started watching it with interest. Then came the "scary" part. The Hindu extremist active in that area, all of a sudden decided to do a parade and attacked the church they were having the service in. Everyone scattered but three young guys got caught. And what happened to them is my words can't describe

Christian Persecution in Orissa, India - a News & Politics video(2).mp4 - YouTube Please watch this video.

And oh yea the people in the brown outfits are the "POLICE".

This is persecution, my friends

And my prayers are for protection, and the salvation and for all to stand, maybe as Stephen did in Acts. The power is in the not fighting back physically, by Christ's not fighting back physically along with Stephen, shows the hypocrisy of flesh evil, praying for those like Saul who became Paul, who saw Stephen go to his death without a fight in the flesh, was changed, yes by a miraculous miracle, and did Paul ever fight anymore of the flesh?
God wins and I am not pleased over any persecution, physical or mental.
Thank you for making me aware

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Christians have a right to defend themselves from violence and rape whenever they can and the spiritual authority to create communities together in which justice is maintained.

It may seem like God's will to you for them to meekly pull down their pants, bend over, and allow themselves and their children to be robbed, raped, beaten, and finally murdered at will by non-Christians but that is NOT God's will. That's the devil's will.

As with so many of Christ's teachings self-defense is to be employed with wisdom, understanding, and tact when necessary but not as a tool of revenge.

For example, stopping a murderer from murdering your neighbor is a much greater display of love for your neighbor (and ultimately the murderer as it stops them from committing more murders) than standing around watching it happen and then allowing them to murder you afterwards to get rid of the witness which is nothing more than a cowardly perversion of true love and righteousness.

Stephen had no ability to prevent his stoning as he was not strong enough to stop the government from wrongly executing him. He would have if he could have and he would have been right to stop it if he could have. Stephen did what he could do which was to become a conduit and witness for God's truth and face that which he could not stop courageously.

And my prayers are for protection, and the salvation and for all to stand, maybe as Stephen did in Acts. The power is in the not fighting back physically, by Christ's not fighting back physically along with Stephen, shows the hypocrisy of flesh evil, praying for those like Saul who became Paul, who saw Stephen go to his death without a fight in the flesh, was changed, yes by a miraculous miracle, and did Paul ever fight anymore of the flesh?
God wins and I am not pleased over any persecution, physical or mental.
Thank you for making me aware

 

[homwardbound]

Christians have a right to defend themselves from violence and rape whenever they can and the spiritual authority to create communities together in which justice is maintained.

It may seem like God's will to you for them to meekly pull down their pants, bend over, and allow themselves and their children to be robbed, raped, beaten, and finally murdered at will by non-Christians but that is NOT God's will. That's the devil's will.

As with so many of Christ's teachings self-defense is to be employed with wisdom, understanding, and tact when necessary but not as a tool of revenge.

For example, stopping a murderer from murdering your neighbor is a much greater display of love for your neighbor (and ultimately the murderer as it stops them from committing more murders) than standing around watching it happen and then allowing them to murder you afterwards to get rid of the witness which is nothing more than a cowardly perversion of true love and righteousness.

Stephen had no ability to prevent his stoning as he was not strong enough to stop the government from wrongly executing him. He would have if he could have and he would have been right to stop it if he could have. Stephen did what he could do which was to become a conduit and witness for God's truth and face that which he could not stop courageously.

God has a miraculous Spiritual power beyond flesh comprehension, I am suggesting to trust and watch God's flow.
Tell me then why did not Jesus fight or Stephen?

 

[homwardbound]

Christians have a right to defend themselves from violence and rape whenever they can and the spiritual authority to create communities together in which justice is maintained.

It may seem like God's will to you for them to meekly pull down their pants, bend over, and allow themselves and their children to be robbed, raped, beaten, and finally murdered at will by non-Christians but that is NOT God's will. That's the devil's will.

As with so many of Christ's teachings self-defense is to be employed with wisdom, understanding, and tact when necessary but not as a tool of revenge.

For example, stopping a murderer from murdering your neighbor is a much greater display of love for your neighbor (and ultimately the murderer as it stops them from committing more murders) than standing around watching it happen and then allowing them to murder you afterwards to get rid of the witness which is nothing more than a cowardly perversion of true love and righteousness.

Stephen had no ability to prevent his stoning as he was not strong enough to stop the government from wrongly executing him. He would have if he could have and he would have been right to stop it if he could have. Stephen did what he could do which was to become a conduit and witness for God's truth and face that which he could not stop courageously.

I have seen the power stop the culprit, in the midst of another taking away another's free will. I have never stood by and watched a rapist or a murderer do another harm as Saul did in wonderment of why did this man Saul go to his death.
Is Stephen alive still, just not in flesh?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Stephen didn't have the power to stop the government from murdering him unjustly so he become a conduit and witness for God's truth and faced that which he could not stop courageously.

As for Jesus, he explained why he did not invoke his authority as the son of God and bring a legion of angels down upon his own murderers and it's recorded in the New Testament. It was primarily because He came to be our appropriation. Christians wouldn't be much different than non-Christians if they didn't have their sins forgiven, a prerequisite for entering God's kingdom and being filled with His Spirit.

So simple. So elementary.

If you want to lie down on the ground and let people beat you to death, that's your choice. But don't go around telling everyone else that's what God wants. That's what the devil wants them to do so he can get rid of Christians.

God has a miraculous Spiritual power beyond flesh comprehension, I am suggesting to trust and watch God's flow.
Tell me then why did not Jesus fight or Stephen?

 

[ChristianUk13]

…The Hindu extremist active in that area, all of a sudden decided to do aparade and attacked the church they were having the service in. Everyonescattered but three young guys got caught. And what happened to them is mywords can't describe

Persecution is likely to relate to a governmental power which by its actions causes its citizens to suffer human rights’ abuse. In terms of India its government is religious, but not ‘Christian religious.’ In view of the USA, alternatively its government is secular, i.e. not run by religious interests. In modern Western countries governments are likely to have evolved where governments are not likely to be religious in terms of Christian leadership. This is also likely defined as ‘secular’governments. In these types of governments, the state does not permit any religion to impact public policy. Public policy means the state –that is the central and local authorities – will not permit the Bible or the Qu'ran to influence the decision-making process or its policies. In the US however, some states do allow their state governments to have at least some religious influence over some areas of “state” control. The UK, in contrast, is very secular; it would appear that the more developed a country becomes the more likelihood there is of it being a secular-led government.

Western governments are largely free countries in that its citizenry have certain constitutional rights, including but not limited to, the right: to work and bepaid; to marry whomever he or she desires; to a free state education; freedom to chooseand practice his or her religion.

Indian governments however have a different constitution. Arranged marriages are the socialnorm. Indian women are not likely to share remotely the same rights as men especially even worse in marriage. This could be said to be persecution relative to the Western standard.

ChristianPersecution in Orissa, India - a News & Politics video(2).mp4 - YouTube Please watch this video.

And oh yea the people in the brown outfits are the "POLICE".

This is persecution, my friends

Westerners are likely unaware of what true persecution is.

 

[overcomer2]

No, I don't think we do know yet the persecution the church in other parts of the world are suffering. I don't believe we will be untouched by it, the persecution. I think it is coming very soon. Our problem is we are still eating, and drinking and given in marriage. We won't grasp the things coming.

 

[homwardbound]

Stephen didn't have the power to stop the government from murdering him unjustly so he become a conduit and witness for God's truth and faced that which he could not stop courageously.

As for Jesus, he explained why he did not invoke his authority as the son of God and bring a legion of angels down upon his own murderers and it's recorded in the New Testament. It was primarily because He came to be our appropriation. Christians wouldn't be much different than non-Christians if they didn't have their sins forgiven, a prerequisite for entering God's kingdom and being filled with His Spirit.

So simple. So elementary.

If you want to lie down on the ground and let people beat you to death, that's your choice. But don't go around telling everyone else that's what God wants. That's what the devil wants them to do so he can get rid of Christians.

I do see and understand what you say. Okay it is the Armageddon, and you have been captured along with your family. You break free and try to free them. You might do this and to what advantage, no food unless you deny Christ and take the mark of the beast. Okay are you now ready to lay down and die, or watch them kill your loved one's unless you deny Christ. You do know it is coming to this do you not? The ultimate test, are we ready to say to our loved one's I meet you there in with God, do not deny Savior Jesus Christ. Are we really ready to be dead in the flesh and alive to God in the Spirit of God. Whatever one values here on earth the most will be used against them to deny the Christ.
Why do you think he said you have anything before him, that includes our children, we can't be his, just as that rich man walked away sad who obeyed law from birth on, but could not give up his worldly riches to be saved
Just something to think about, and maybe see and understand the book of Job. Do you think maybe that might be an example unto us, that we all are going suffer persecution, especially those that do believe.
So maybe it might be wise to give up what we want now for what we know we need in the long run, and that is life everlasting that we all need in the long run is it not. Did Christ come to give us life in the flesh, when we are already first born of the flesh? Or the Spirit of God through the resurrected Christ. So how are the one's that believe are they to live, by flesh or the risen Spirit of Christ, here and now, since no flesh will please God in God's sight?

 

[homwardbound]

Westerners are likely unaware of what true persecution is.

Yes, everyone goes through an intensity of their own persecution, and that persecution is real to them unimaginably by others unless the other has gone through it as well. Yet amazingly God for me has never given me more than I can handle and have come close to denying, and yet did not.
Been Shot, stabbed, choked, have lost all my teeth by a tire machine hitting me in the face, have all denture and have had it this way since 1978. Been off a bridge in a dune buggy upside down when it landed in the shallow water on rocks, four lived, me included, and police said that it had to be pushed off bridge no one in it should have never lived, and amazingly as we all were going over the song Stairway to Heaven started playing on the radio as we began to go over. Anyway the very last thing that happened was Foreigners gangrene that was to have killed me, and that about 5% live and many after surgery die still after they have lived through other complications. I have made it for a year now this month, and am still trusting God to see me through, and if more persecution comes so be it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God is my Savior through Son, and I trust God in the midst of it all as Job did before the cross of Christ Where he:
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

We are today looking back as he was looking forward in Faith, Maybe we should count everything as a joy, whether good or bad.
Did not King Jehoshaphat send out as the army to win the battle of those three armies with the raise and Worship band? and did not evil kill itself? My warfare is not of flesh and blood, carnal, no not anymore. Thanks to Father through Son

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

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Lolol. I just couldn't resist. You're assuming your eschatology is correct. Maybe not. But just for argument's sake, let's say it is. I'm giving them NOTHING. They will have to take EVERYTHING if they can. Molon Labe.

I do see and understand what you say. Okay it is the Armageddon, and you have been captured along with your family. You break free and try to free them. You might do this and to what advantage, no food unless you deny Christ and take the mark of the beast. Okay are you now ready to lay down and die, or watch them kill your loved one's unless you deny Christ. You do know it is coming to this do you not? The ultimate test, are we ready to say to our loved one's I meet you there in with God, do not deny Savior Jesus Christ. Are we really ready to be dead in the flesh and alive to God in the Spirit of God. Whatever one values here on earth the most will be used against them to deny the Christ.Why do you think he said you have anything before him, that includes our children, we can't be his, just as that rich man walked away sad who obeyed law from birth on, but could not give up his worldly riches to be saved
Just something to think about, and maybe see and understand the book of Job. Do you think maybe that might be an example unto us, that we all are going suffer persecution, especially those that do believe. So maybe it might be wise to give up what we want now for what we know we need in the long run, and that is life everlasting that we all need in the long run is it not. Did Christ come to give us life in the flesh, when we are already first born of the flesh? Or the Spirit of God through the resurrected Christ. So how are the one's that believe are they to live, by flesh or the risen Spirit of Christ, here and now, since no flesh will please God in God's sight?

 

[homwardbound]

No, I don't think we do know yet the persecution the church in other parts of the world are suffering. I don't believe we will be untouched by it, the persecution. I think it is coming very soon. Our problem is we are still eating, and drinking and given in marriage. We won't grasp the things coming.

Yes when it least expected, expect it and the ten virgins are out there 5 with their oil lamps filled, while others are trying to steal it from them. And truthfully they need to come to belief in trusting Father through the cross of Son, and have their oil lamps filled as well, no longer of the flesh that is against God, now born again of the Spirit of God, a free gift from God that no man can earn or keep by trying to. If it ever were by works of man, then the gift of God is cancelled, for a gift is not a gift if one has to work to keep it or attain it

 

[homwardbound]

[video=youtube_share;rjptQSfuTy8]http://youtu.be/rjptQSfuTy8[/video]

Lolol. I just couldn't resist. You're assuming your eschatology is correct. Maybe not. But just for argument's sake, let's say it is. I'm giving them NOTHING. They will have to take EVERYTHING if they can. Molon Labe.

understood, even though when it comes down to either take the mark of the beast and deny Christ are you willing to go to the death and or watch others die, and stand in Faith, while you are being asked to deny or you will be killed, saying where is your Lord to save you. He is not here and they put your loved one's in a burning oil pit, you watching as they are persecuted to death, suffering, dying slowly. What are you thinking you are going to do, you are tied up and can't save them unless you deny Christ, what are you going to do in that situation, hopefully never there in it, yet if it ever were, today is the day to know if you will go to the death as Abraham was willing even to kill his own Son. in belief that god is able to raise him back to life if god so chooses.
Now brother that is Faith in the living God is it not? So again are you ready, after caught if you are here during this time of full pledge persecution. Remember Columbine, and that girl they killed that said no way in denying Christ.
Are we ready and reckon by Christ through death, burial resurrection, and his ascension, that we are saved by God the Father through this, no work ever of our own? Flesh attitude dead and Spirit of God alive in us, living through us in God's power, not any of my own. Put no confidence in the flesh
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

 

[leonardronaldo]

And my prayers are for protection, and the salvation and for all to stand, maybe as Stephen did in Acts. The power is in the not fighting back physically, by Christ's not fighting back physically along with Stephen, shows the hypocrisy of flesh evil, praying for those like Saul who became Paul, who saw Stephen go to his death without a fight in the flesh, was changed, yes by a miraculous miracle, and did Paul ever fight anymore of the flesh?
God wins and I am not pleased over any persecution, physical or mental.
Thank you for making me aware

Unfortunately, to live Godly life, according to Jesus and Paul, we are gonna be persecuted