Otto Warmbier: Trump defends Kim over US student's death

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Locutus

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From the Beeb:

US President Donald Trump has defended North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in the case of an American college student who died after being jailed by North Korea.

Speaking in Hanoi after his summit with Mr Kim broke down, Mr Trump said he did not believe the North Korean leader was aware of Otto Warmbier's ordeal.

Mr Trump said: "He tells me he didn't know about it, and I will take him at his word."

Warmbier was jailed in North Korea in December 2015 during an organised tour.

Pyongyang authorities returned the 22-year-old to the US in a coma in June 2017, and he died days later in his hometown of Cincinnati, Ohio.

Trump-Kim talks break down over sanctions
His case raised tensions at a time when the Trump administration was exchanging vitriolic comments with North Korea.

Mr Trump told reporters he had mentioned the Warmbier case to Mr Kim and the North Korean leader said he was not aware of it at the time, and was regretful.

The US president said: "I did speak about it, and I don't believe that he would have allowed that to happen.

"It just wasn't to his advantage to allow that to happen. Prisons are rough, they're rough places, and bad things happened."

He said Mr Kim "felt very badly about it", adding: "He knew the case very well, but he knew it later. In those prisons, those camps, you have a lot of people."

Last June, at Mr Trump's first summit with North Korea's leader, he credited Warmbier's death with the change in US-North Korea relations.

"I think without Otto, this would not have happened," Mr Trump told reporters.

"Something happened from that day. It was a terrible thing. It was brutal. A lot of people started to focus on what was going on, including North Korea. I really think that Otto is someone who did not die in vain."

Warmbier's parents were guests of honour at President Trump's State of the Union address in 2018.

The family have said their son was "murdered" by the North Korean authorities.

armbier, a University of Virginia student, was detained in Pyongyang during an organised tour, accused of stealing a hotel poster.

He was later charged with spying for the US and held for 17 months.

This is not the first time Mr Trump has expressed a willingness to believe a foreign leader.

His response to Mr Kim echoes his reaction to Russian President Vladimir Putin regarding Russian interference in the 2016 US election.

"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,'" Mr Trump said after meeting Mr Putin in Asia last year. "I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it."

Amid backlash from lawmakers and US media over appearing to believe a foreign power over his own intelligence officials, Mr Trump later clarified his statements, saying he accepted the intelligence community's conclusion, but adding: "Could be other people also. A lot of people out there."

More recently, with the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, Mr Trump continued to defend Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman despite CIA officials believing the prince ordered the killing.

"[It] could very well be that the crown prince had knowledge of this tragic event - maybe he did and maybe he didn't!"

"I hate the cover-up," Mr Trump told reporters. "And I will tell you this, the crown prince hates it more than I do. And they vehemently deny it."

What's the reaction?

The Democratic leader of the House of Representatives, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, pointed out that Mr Trump had believed Mr Putin in the past.

The California lawmaker said: "It's strange. I don't know. There is something wrong with Putin, Kim Jong-un - in my view, thugs - that the president chooses to believe."

House Intelligence Committee chairman Adam Schiff, another California Democrat and a fierce Trump critic, said the president's response was "detestable".

Even some of the president's fellow Republicans voiced muted criticism.

Senator Rob Portman of Ohio, who was with Warmbier when he returned home in 2017, said "we should never let North Korea off the hook" for what happened to the young man, the Cincinnati Enquirer reported.

Ohio congressman Brad Wenstrup, said Warmbier's "imprisonment and death were heinous crimes at the hands of the brutal Kim Jong Un regime".

Former Republican Senator Rick Santorum told CNN it was "reprehensible" for Mr Trump to give "cover...to a leader who knew very well what was going on with Otto Warmbier".

Right-wing commentator Ben Shapiro called Mr Trump "pathetic".

Source:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47404629
 

NotmebutHim

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I stink at doing cartwheels.

And I can hardly whistle

But I'm gonna fly away like the down of a thistle.

I can't stand on my head

I can't lick my own ears

I know I'm speaking nonsense.

But I have no fear!
 

PennEd

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Canada Won't Fund Student Summer Jobs Unless Employers Support Transgenderism, Abortion

Pro-Life activists in Canada are outraged after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government is requiring all employers to pledge their support for abortion and transgender rights to receive summer job grants.

In order to receive federal aid for summer jobs, each business must first sign an "attestation" saying they agree with the government's views on abortion and gender identity.

"To be eligible, applicants will have to attest that both the job and organization's core mandate respect individual human rights in Canada, including the values underlying the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms as well as other rights," the form reads.

"These include reproductive rights, and the right to be free from discrimination on the basis of sex, religion, race, national or ethnic origin, color, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity or expression."

Critics say the measure will prevent students as young as 15-years-old from working for organizations and businesses that do not agree with the government's views on abortion and transgenderism.

Conservative MP Brad Trost was one of the first Canadian government officials to raise concern about the new regulation.

"In practical terms, this means you have to be with the Liberal Party position on abortion, gay marriage, transgendered rights, all sorts of legislation in the House of Commons, otherwise you will be an ineligible employer for this program," Trost said in a Twitter video. "That's wrong, that's discrimination."

"Canadians are allowed to have different political beliefs than the government of the day and they shouldn't have their funding be cut off because they disagree with the government," he added.

"This is a jaw-dropping act of discrimination against faith-based employers and non-profits. Although the Trudeau Liberals have signaled many times they have special contempt for Christians, this new policy requires a massive negative reaction from all faith-based communities in Canada – Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, etc," he told LifeSiteNews.

Jake Enwright from the conservative opposition party says he's not sure how the conservative caucus will respond.

"We will be having a discussion as a caucus at the earliest opportunity" to decide "what next steps will be taken," he said. "I don't think this is an issue that will go away."


 

zeroturbulence

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He didn't defend Kim. He said he would take Kim's word that he did not know about Warmbier's illness or poisoning.

There's nothing else Trump could do. We can't go in and investigate and Trump is not going to say something threatening over a case that has no leads or evidence that points directly to Kim.

We're already imposing strict sanctions on N Korea. That is why Kim is willing to talk to Trump.
 

Locutus

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More from the Beeb:

Warmbier family rebuke Trump's praise of Kim Jong-un:

The family of a US student who died after he was jailed in North Korea have implicitly rebuked President Donald Trump's lauding of Kim Jong-un.

Otto Warmbier's parents said they had been "respectful" during Mr Trump and the North Korean leader's recent summit, but were now speaking out.

They said "no excuse or lavish praise can change" that "Kim and his evil regime" killed their son.

Their statement came after Mr Trump heaped compliments on Mr Kim.

Mr Trump's second nuclear summit with Mr Kim this week in Vietnam ended without agreement.

What to make of the summit collapse?

What did the Warmbiers say?

The family released a brief statement on Friday condemning praise for the North Korean leader, without mentioning Mr Trump by name.

"We have been respectful during this summit process. Now we must speak out," wrote Fred and Cindy Warmbier.

"Kim and his evil regime are responsible for the death of our son Otto.

"Kim and his evil regime are responsible for unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity.

"No excuse or lavish praise can change that."

Warmbier was jailed in Pyongyang in January 2016 during an organised tour, accused of stealing a hotel poster.

The University of Virginia student was sentenced to 15 years' hard labour, but released after 17 months.

The 22-year-old was returned to the US in a vegetative state in June 2017, and died days later in his hometown of Cincinnati, Ohio.

The Warmbiers attended the 2018 State of the Union speech as the president's guests, weeping as he called them "powerful witnesses to a menace that threatens our world".

What did President Trump say?

Mr Trump told reporters in Hanoi on Thursday morning, referring to Mr Warmbier's death: "He [Mr Kim] tells me he didn't know about it, and I will take him at his word."

The president added that the North Korean leader felt "very badly" about the case.

In a Fox News interview aired late on Thursday, Mr Trump said Mr Kim was "sharp as you can be" and "a real leader".

Full artickle:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47418956
 
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SpoonJuly

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I hate what happened to the young man and condemn those who caused his death---
But, why was he in a country that has a history of such abuse?
When a person voluntarily places himself in such a dangerous place, does he not have to accept some responsibility for what happens?
 

SparkleEyes

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Reason #597 he is not qualified for the job of POTUS.