Most of the time 'we think what I believe is all there is to believe, and it's correct. It may be correct for where the believer is in their understanding, but in time they can look back and think ' wow did I really believe that. Again it is part of our growing process.
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Most of the time 'we think what I believe is all there is to believe, and it's correct. It may be correct for where the believer is in their understanding, but in time they can look back and think ' wow did I really believe that. Again it is part of our growing process.
Yes, so what I believe really means very little to the father, in whom I believed is everything.
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Yep. That is me, I have learned stuff in Christian Chat and changed my view on things, as I have seen many others. Sadly, there are those who are stuck in their bunker and trying to fight a fight they can not win.
I grew up German Baptist but again..I don't give a lot of confidence in the name of the denomination just that they are Biblically sound both in action and what's being preached from the pulpit
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I am non denominational now. Yet I have no issue with my baptist brothers and sisters..I grew up German Baptist but again..I don't give a lot of confidence in the name of the denomination just that they are Biblically sound both in action and what's being preached from the pulpit
An individuals understanding is a major key the Lord uses to unlock scripture to us and keep me seaching, looking, asking, wanting to know and understand the things of God, which by the way is always revelation. These things of God can not be taught by man, Paul always spurred people on to revelation.
Hmmm..not sure I agree..I've been to different deniminational churches and out of your 3 points..I haven't heard ANY teachings to any of your points..grace.. is a gift from God..faith is believing in things unseen..legalism ..works ...doesn't earn or take away your salvation..n licentiousness..doesn't show a true Christian's repentant heart etc
Just curious..how many other denominations of churches have YOU actually experienced or GONE TO to get your opinion or is it just out of your books etc that you've formed your opinion as fact?
(Not meaning to sound arguementstive..just curious)
Yes..I go to an awesome non denominational church now as well..have gone to Baptist..Methodist..Pentecostal etc churches in the last 50 yrs
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I have been to many types of churches, Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, And studied many others (I read the book of mormon when I was doing a bible study with a mormon friend)
And I am confused. Baptists do not teach grace through faith? I know there were some who believe salvation could be lost (works) but for th emost part Every baptist church I went to taught grace, (I am retired military and lived all over the country)
Legalism is very prevelent. From the many sacraments of the roman church to the demoninations who just teach you must be good and be baptised. And while I have yet to see a licentious church, I have been told there are many of them.
Even biblically if we look at the NT, those are the three gospels being taught. From the Jews and their extreme legalism to the opposite extreme of the gnostic licentious beliefs.
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Only went to pentecostle once. With my aunt.. She ended up leaving God because of that church. I can only pray she is in heaven now..
Unfortunately one can read Scripture without coming to God. One can have all the right doctrinal beliefs without coming to God. One can have all the right "outward" works without coming to God. There's only one thing that saves us - coming to Him. He alone is eternal life. There is no other way apart from Him. He is the Truth. He is the Way. May all "religious" things lead us to Him. And may we be lead by His Spirit.
I agree with everything you say here, I do. I also want to add 2 things, 1. People can also think they are spiritual and saved and be lost and not following Him at all but following man made doctrine. 2. Odd thing is most claim His Spirit leads away from His Law, yet He says it leads to it...
Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."
Hebrews 10:16, "“This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”
I did come back after speaking with my pastor, regarding the sin of adultery and I did say that my pastor said I was guilty. The reason being is, lust is a permanent part of our fallen nature so all we need to do is look at a woman for a second and your pre existing condition automatically responds by committing adultery.
We are all murderers and adulterers by our fallen nature, we always try to resist the temptation to act on them but we lose the battle sometimes. It only takes one thought of hatred or lust and we have committed the actual sin without physically doing them.
So our problem is with our identity, we are fallen sinners living in corrupt bodies of death. We continue to struggle against our flesh until we die and receive our perfect glorified sinless bodies.
I seen that and was going to reply, but already know it is a collosal waste of time....he understands everything purrrrfectly wellllllll......10 to 1 that is a negative Houston..........!
God never speaks too us, so you are wrong about that to begin with.
God has spoken to mankind through His Word the Holy Bible, there is only one message for all of mankind. He has said everything He had to say so He doesn't speak to us anymore, His message is simple and it applies to all of mankind.
I know we are all at different stages of our race, so we need to be patient with those who are still on milk. I just don't like people making claims without being sure about what they are claiming. It's much better to say, I don't know than to hold to a false belief or understanding about a particular doctrine.
Phil 2:3 is obviously referring to our relationship to other true believers, so it's advising is Saints of God to be humble towards each other and count them as more significant because the one who seeks to be the greatest will be humiliated.
We are not perfect, so we still need to encourage each other to remain firm in their faith. It's not prideful to declare that you are a true believer and point out errors in other who claim to be believers, a true believer will thank you for rebuking him while a fool or hypocrite will take offense.
Don't fool yourself into ever entertaining the idea that you will somehow work out Gods motives for doing what He does. His ways are as high as the heavens from your fallen, sinful, totally depraved, shallow ways.
It's actually sinful to speak about God in those terms, I suggest you repent and confess your sins lets ye be the "R" word.
I would suggest you were never a true believer, a true believer never falls away. He remains faithful until the end.
I'm truly sorry that you haven't Heard God's voice..several people have..God can use whatever means He wants to communicate with people..who are YOU to tell Him what He can and can't do?
And..just because people think differently than you doesn't make it WRONG..just different...people might not THINK thier beliefs are wrong so why conceed and say they don't know?
Some don't see that fine line of loving correction other than judgement and condemnation..