Orthodox Jew answers a few questions
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It's "Brit Chadashah" Most Jews do not like Messianic Jews/Jews for Jesus because we believe they are falsely presenting themselves as Jewish. Jews for Jesus in particular have a history of cult like behaviour and causing family estrangement.
The Messiah is not just "some enlightened guy". He is divinely appointed by G-D and will:
- Reunite the Jewish people
- Reestablish the temple
- Restore the tribes
- Establish world peace
- Bring knowledge of G-D to the world
- Restore Israel
At that time G-D will write the Torah in people's hearts and Jew/gentile will become a meaningless distinction, because the world will be unified. This has been Messianic prophecy for over 2000 years and has not changed one iota. In order for a person to be the Messiah they must do these things. They must also be from the line of David.
The Messiah is not just "some enlightened guy". He is divinely appointed by G-D and will:
- Reunite the Jewish people
- Reestablish the temple
- Restore the tribes
- Establish world peace
- Bring knowledge of G-D to the world
- Restore Israel
At that time G-D will write the Torah in people's hearts and Jew/gentile will become a meaningless distinction, because the world will be unified. This has been Messianic prophecy for over 2000 years and has not changed one iota. In order for a person to be the Messiah they must do these things. They must also be from the line of David.
There is no question that God has shown special favor to the descendants of Jacob because of the Abrahamic Covenant, and that the Lord Jesus Christ would come from the line of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Judah.
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. (Rom 9:3-5)
The Lord Jesus Christ is the one "who is over all, God blessed for ever". Also Christ is both the King and the Savior of Israel, and after His Second Coming many Jews will be saved. But even now many Jews (and Muslims) are getting saved.
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth
the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. (Rom 9:3-5)
The Lord Jesus Christ is the one "who is over all, God blessed for ever". Also Christ is both the King and the Savior of Israel, and after His Second Coming many Jews will be saved. But even now many Jews (and Muslims) are getting saved.
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Isaiah 2:1 - 4
1 The word that Isaiah, son of Amoz, prophesied concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall be at the end of the days, that the mountain of the L-rd's house shall be firmly established at the top of the mountains, and it shall be raised above the hills, and all the nations shall stream to it. 3 And many peoples shall go, and they shall say, "Come, let us go up to the Lord's mount, to the house of the G-d of Jacob, and let Him teach us of His ways, and we will go in His paths," for out of Zion shall the Torah come forth, and the word of the L-rd from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge between the nations and reprove many peoples, and they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift the sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.
Isaiah 25:8 - 9
8 He has concealed death forever, and the Lord G-d shall wipe the tears off every face, and the shame of His people He shall remove from upon the entire earth, for the L-rd has spoken. 9 And they shall say on that day, "Behold, this is our G-d: we hoped for Him that He would save us; this is the L-rd for Whom we hoped; let us rejoice and be happy with His salvation.
It also says none but G-d will be exalted, Jew and gentile will know G-d and no one will know suffering anymore. He will also be a judge. A little more then an "enlightened man". The Tanakh says the spirit of G-d will be upon him.
1 The word that Isaiah, son of Amoz, prophesied concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall be at the end of the days, that the mountain of the L-rd's house shall be firmly established at the top of the mountains, and it shall be raised above the hills, and all the nations shall stream to it. 3 And many peoples shall go, and they shall say, "Come, let us go up to the Lord's mount, to the house of the G-d of Jacob, and let Him teach us of His ways, and we will go in His paths," for out of Zion shall the Torah come forth, and the word of the L-rd from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge between the nations and reprove many peoples, and they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift the sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.
Isaiah 25:8 - 9
8 He has concealed death forever, and the Lord G-d shall wipe the tears off every face, and the shame of His people He shall remove from upon the entire earth, for the L-rd has spoken. 9 And they shall say on that day, "Behold, this is our G-d: we hoped for Him that He would save us; this is the L-rd for Whom we hoped; let us rejoice and be happy with His salvation.
It also says none but G-d will be exalted, Jew and gentile will know G-d and no one will know suffering anymore. He will also be a judge. A little more then an "enlightened man". The Tanakh says the spirit of G-d will be upon him.
It will be a shame if you do not repent of the sin of your father Adam ben ADONAI. He chose to be independent of ADONAI in all he did. All men inherit God's curse on him .
Only Yeshua Ben Yosef Ben Hezekiah Ben David Ben Boaz/Rut ben Shem Ben Noach Ben Methuselah Ben Adam Ben ADONAI could be a perfect singles sacrifice. You are belies Satan's lies through the rabbis who did not want to be accountable for His crucifixion because blood guilt would have been upon them and under TORAH they should have been stoned themselves.
Only Yeshua Ben Yosef Ben Hezekiah Ben David Ben Boaz/Rut ben Shem Ben Noach Ben Methuselah Ben Adam Ben ADONAI could be a perfect singles sacrifice. You are belies Satan's lies through the rabbis who did not want to be accountable for His crucifixion because blood guilt would have been upon them and under TORAH they should have been stoned themselves.
I just quoted You in order to ask a simple question. I understand that the New Testament means absolutely nothing to You. But for the sake of just being able to ask this question here. Let's say everything in the New Testament is true. And yes I believe it is, but that has no bearing on this question. So, let's say the New Testament is 100% true the same as the Torah and Tanakh are 100% true. No other person in the Tanakh was able to produce even one tenth of the miracles Jesus did. So for the sake of we're saying the New Testament is true here. What would that make Jesus knowing He waited 4 days for Lazarus to die and then spoke and Lazarus came alive? Or that Jesus died Himself, was buried, and over 500 people were mentioned confirming He rose back to life. In your view, of we're saying the New Testament is true. What would Jesus be if He actually did all those things? No man ever did a tenth of them so He must be greater than some normal man, right?
The Torah says that any man, even if he performs miracles, should he promote worshipping other G-d's or rejection of the Torah he is a false prophet.
Deuteronomy 13:1–5
In order for me to accept anything Jesus said or did it would have to be demonstrated to be consistent with the Torah.
Deuteronomy 13:1–5
In order for me to accept anything Jesus said or did it would have to be demonstrated to be consistent with the Torah.
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You had previously stated that Messiah would be from the line of David. Is there any connection to Joseph? It is often said of Jesus that His first advent was as the suffering servant, the son of Joseph, and I do find it intriguing that Joseph was 30 when he entered the service of Pharoah king of Egypt (Genesis 41:46) and David, also, was 30 years old when he became king (2 Samuel 5:4), given that Jesus was 30 when the Holy Spirit descended upon Him like a dove and a voice from heaven said, "You are my beloved Son, in You I am well pleased."
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I never read He rejected the Torah ever. I wonder where that idea comes from? He only promoted the worship of the Heavenly Father, Yahweh. He instructed people to obey His God, who is Yahweh. He just claimed to be sent by Yahweh. I wonder where the idea of Him promoting other gods or rejecting the Torah came from? That would be interesting since it is not written down anywhere.
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There were four physical conditions in mankind that could only be corrected by G-d Himself. It was
believed that when G-d would send His Messiah, the SIGN that would prove to the Pharisees who He
was would be the performance of four specific miracles. They are known as the four Messianic Miracles:
Jesus cast out a deaf and dumb spirit (Mark 9:14-29).
The healing of a man born blind is recorded in John chapter 9.
The raising of Lazarus is recounted in the Gospel of John 11:1–44. source
Jesus' performance of these four Messianic miracles should have demonstrated to the leadership
of Israel that He was the Messiah, but they treated Him with derision and disdain and then had
Him murdered just as was prophesied and as they'd murdered the prophets before Him.
believed that when G-d would send His Messiah, the SIGN that would prove to the Pharisees who He
was would be the performance of four specific miracles. They are known as the four Messianic Miracles:
- Cleansing a Leper
- Casting out a Deaf and Dumb Spirit
- The Healing of Birth Defects
- Raising the Dead after three days
Jesus cast out a deaf and dumb spirit (Mark 9:14-29).
The healing of a man born blind is recorded in John chapter 9.
The raising of Lazarus is recounted in the Gospel of John 11:1–44. source
Jesus' performance of these four Messianic miracles should have demonstrated to the leadership
of Israel that He was the Messiah, but they treated Him with derision and disdain and then had
Him murdered just as was prophesied and as they'd murdered the prophets before Him.
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