Leighton Flowers already PROVED predestination by debating James White!
Nobody would debate Romans Chapter9 with James White out of free will!
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Nobody would debate Romans Chapter9 with James White out of free will!
I wouldn't debate predestination in Romans 9 because predestination is not even mentioned in Romans 9.
UhhI wouldn't debate predestination in Romans 9 because predestination is not even mentioned in Romans 9.
Yes it is?
I read the Canons of Dort and verified the scriptures in it making it very biblical. Did the same with the text backing up Arminianism. Like I said, refute them instead using the fallacious method of dismissal. Point to the refutation. Also you ignore the early elders creating the creeds between 212 and 500 that define what a Christian must believe. They stated any Biblical issue outside of them was to agree to disagree. That's why there are so many gospel preaching denominations. While solo scriptorum is valid there are many disagreements causing the denominations. You ignore this fact. Calvinism and Arminianism both have long documents annotated with scripture references. I verified both documents are very biblical. Since each different denomination disagrees with the other denominations why do try to say it has been Biblically refuted and dismantled? Each different denomination feels they are right and the others are wrong. So much for your assertion!!
What do you think prophecy is?I wouldn't debate predestination in Romans 9 because predestination is not even mentioned in Romans 9.
Your reading that word in where it’s not stated in Romans 9. Predestination has to do with the already saved believer. Predestination has nothing to do with the lost. I am predestined for the future adoption because I’m in Christ. I’m in Christ because I believed the gospel of Jesus Christ. That is my destination now that I’m in Christ. It hasn’t happened yet.
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hmmmmm open theism...
Another word for Deism, like our first president George Washington
Another word for atheism, like our 2nd and 3rd presidents Adams and Jackson
All 3 presidents were part of Voltaire's Enlightenment Movement = it was law to openly condemn the Bible and the idea of there being a God. They compromised by reason: what the Bible states : the Burning Bush spoke to Moses and claimed He was Elohim and His name was I AM.. The compromise was, miracles were not a reasonable condition for what happens in life. Therefore, what really happened, was God met Moses and told Him His name. (the burning bush without it being consumed, is too far fetched of a story that a reasonable mind could actually accept such a wild tale).
This is what the founding fathers were:
This is why America is prophesied, to play a major role in getting the antichrist to power:
Another word for Deism, like our first president George Washington
Another word for atheism, like our 2nd and 3rd presidents Adams and Jackson
All 3 presidents were part of Voltaire's Enlightenment Movement = it was law to openly condemn the Bible and the idea of there being a God. They compromised by reason: what the Bible states : the Burning Bush spoke to Moses and claimed He was Elohim and His name was I AM.. The compromise was, miracles were not a reasonable condition for what happens in life. Therefore, what really happened, was God met Moses and told Him His name. (the burning bush without it being consumed, is too far fetched of a story that a reasonable mind could actually accept such a wild tale).
This is what the founding fathers were:
This is why America is prophesied, to play a major role in getting the antichrist to power:
Taking the bible literal is a practice of open theism as I understand. I've never heard of "open theism" until this forum, but I lean towards a similar belief. I take God's word literal unless the context tells me otherwise with the words like or as.
Explain away this from Isaiah. I prefer what the Bible says says instead of man.
Isaiah 46:8 to 10 NIV
8 “Remember this, keep it in mind,
take it to heart, you rebels.
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’
https://www.iep.utm.edu/o-theism/
Open Theism
Open Theism is the thesis that, because God loves us and desires that we freely choose to reciprocate His love, He has made His knowledge of, and plans for, the future conditional upon our actions. Though omniscient, God does not know what we will freely do in the future.
This is in opposition to Isaiah 46:8 to 10.
Open Theism
Open Theism is the thesis that, because God loves us and desires that we freely choose to reciprocate His love, He has made His knowledge of, and plans for, the future conditional upon our actions. Though omniscient, God does not know what we will freely do in the future.
This is in opposition to Isaiah 46:8 to 10.
God has determined the end. He has stated it in Scripture. See Revelation 21-22. He has determined that this was going to be the outcome from the beginning. Are you trying to read into this statement that every thing in between has been determined? Or the ending as the verse states? What has God made known from the beginning...the ENDING.
Idk, but I do. Let's read:
11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Who has been predestined? Those who first trusted in Christ. Those that are in whom...in Christ. What are they predestined for? To be the praise of His glory. Very plainly stated in Scripture. Salvation is not the context. This is for already saved believers, those who have already trusted in Christ and found in Him.
The praise of His glory is pointing to the future adoption, aka the redemption of His purchased possession, when all that are in Christ are changed to be in His image forever.
The concept of God is knowing the end from the beginning of creation. Eclipses have been found to condemn a country if it passes east to west. Every time this has happened the country falls to third world status. For that to happen God had to control the moons orbit to be placed at creation time to do that condemnation. Thus knowing it would be creating the eclipse at the appropriate time.
Why do you try to limit God's power, omniscience and omnipotence?
Yeah, they think God has Alzheimer's, amnesia and a low IQ. Then they worship their idol on Sunday.
related to this topic i meant the WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of his own will
isnt this predestination?