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Do we have any on here who holds one of them? What’s the difference between the three? And are both biblical beliefs to hold? If you hold one of them, please support your position with scripture.
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I’m not intending to pile on religious gobbledygook, @shittim. All I’m doing is asking a question. Can I do that without someone seemingly accusing me of not giving Christ first place?
I do not know if God knows how we will behave in the future but He does know our heart and will know how we will act before we do it which He would know at least a little in to the future.
God told us the end time that the world will establish a world wide system all nations agreeing to it that will be rebellious against the operation of God causing Him to end sin on earth.
But this will happen because God is allowing it to happen for He is giving the world 7 years to go against the truth allowing Satan to influence for the first half and control the second half.
Which He will send them strong delusion to believe a lie which they will be deceived by a devil.
So God would know the future of this because He has an input why it happens so it is going to happen.
Although He is not forcing anyone but the wicked will act accordingly and be rebellious and want to exalt themselves.
God told us of the new age movement that will come out at the latter times and people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to their own lusts.
Which the new age is the deception that will deceive the world.
And told us of the antichrist that will deceive the world.
But God has a hand in why it happens so He can end sin on earth.
Daniel in Babylon told us of the next kingdom Medo-Persia, then Greece, then the Roman Empire.
Then the 10 horn kingdom that will devour the world which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.
How would God know of the next kingdoms to rule and the 10 horns dominion.
Does God know the future or does He have a hand in why it happens so it will surely come to pass so He knows.
Humans have free will but God also has a hand in the world to keep it from getting to out of control with their false ways causing a big decrease in His influence in the world.
The flood.
Egypt.
Every kingdom that came up had the revelation of God.
Babylon rode on eagle's wings revelation of God but blew it and the eagle's wing were plucked.
And the kingdom given to the Medes and Persians so God knew beforehand to give it to them for the king of Babylon was told it would be given to them while the king of Babylon was still ruling and not attacked yet.
Ans so on with every kingdom that they got out of hand influencing too much with their false ways and being cruel.
So God gave it to another nation or nations.
Which God gives the kingdom to who He wants and no power can rule unless God allows it.
So God knows beforehand these kingdoms who will rule next before they rule telling us about it because He has a hand in why it happened so it will happen.
Also the wicked world will act the way they want and will get worse so God knows eventually they will try to establish their own system that exalts people on a worldwide level but God is allowing it so He can end sin on earth.
Where He did not allow it to continue in the past.
God told Abraham if He found any righteous in Sodom He would not overthrow it and He would find out how wicked they were.
Which He tested them by the 2 angels in the appearance of men.
If God knew there would be no righteous there why send the 2 men to test it.
Or does He have to give them a chance anyway because He is a fair God.
But God knows the heart at that time that they were all wicked.
But does God not know if they will change so He gives them a chance.
Or because He is a good God He gives them a chance even though He knows they will not change and He wants no excuse from them at judgment.
God told Israel because of their rebelliousness that He would hide His face from them and find out their end.
Does God not know what their actions and what it will lead to in the future and not know if they will change or not.
Concerning nations ruling and governments and kingdoms God has an influence there so God knows the future of them beforehand because He has control there.
God knows our hearts if we are wicked and the future of that wickedness.
But does He know the future if we will change.
The same as being good led of the Spirit does He know if we will change.
For what is in our heart we will behave that way which God knows about.
But if it is not on our heart then does God know if we will change whether good or bad.
Because it seems what is on our heart and thoughts is what God can read about us.
So He might not know our actions or if we will change in the future.
But He does know if we have doubt whether claiming Christianity or the world and at least know there is a possibility that we could change.
And if the doubt is too much might know they will change.
Open theism, Molinism, Dynamic Omniscience.
I am not going to try to understand what they are saying.
It is like people that say hyper grace like they are inputting more than necessary.
What is next super hyper grace.
And then super duper hyper grace.
And then super duper hyper grace to the second power.
And then super duper hyper grace to the second power with a cherry on top.
God told us the end time that the world will establish a world wide system all nations agreeing to it that will be rebellious against the operation of God causing Him to end sin on earth.
But this will happen because God is allowing it to happen for He is giving the world 7 years to go against the truth allowing Satan to influence for the first half and control the second half.
Which He will send them strong delusion to believe a lie which they will be deceived by a devil.
So God would know the future of this because He has an input why it happens so it is going to happen.
Although He is not forcing anyone but the wicked will act accordingly and be rebellious and want to exalt themselves.
God told us of the new age movement that will come out at the latter times and people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to their own lusts.
Which the new age is the deception that will deceive the world.
And told us of the antichrist that will deceive the world.
But God has a hand in why it happens so He can end sin on earth.
Daniel in Babylon told us of the next kingdom Medo-Persia, then Greece, then the Roman Empire.
Then the 10 horn kingdom that will devour the world which is the world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.
How would God know of the next kingdoms to rule and the 10 horns dominion.
Does God know the future or does He have a hand in why it happens so it will surely come to pass so He knows.
Humans have free will but God also has a hand in the world to keep it from getting to out of control with their false ways causing a big decrease in His influence in the world.
The flood.
Egypt.
Every kingdom that came up had the revelation of God.
Babylon rode on eagle's wings revelation of God but blew it and the eagle's wing were plucked.
And the kingdom given to the Medes and Persians so God knew beforehand to give it to them for the king of Babylon was told it would be given to them while the king of Babylon was still ruling and not attacked yet.
Ans so on with every kingdom that they got out of hand influencing too much with their false ways and being cruel.
So God gave it to another nation or nations.
Which God gives the kingdom to who He wants and no power can rule unless God allows it.
So God knows beforehand these kingdoms who will rule next before they rule telling us about it because He has a hand in why it happened so it will happen.
Also the wicked world will act the way they want and will get worse so God knows eventually they will try to establish their own system that exalts people on a worldwide level but God is allowing it so He can end sin on earth.
Where He did not allow it to continue in the past.
God told Abraham if He found any righteous in Sodom He would not overthrow it and He would find out how wicked they were.
Which He tested them by the 2 angels in the appearance of men.
If God knew there would be no righteous there why send the 2 men to test it.
Or does He have to give them a chance anyway because He is a fair God.
But God knows the heart at that time that they were all wicked.
But does God not know if they will change so He gives them a chance.
Or because He is a good God He gives them a chance even though He knows they will not change and He wants no excuse from them at judgment.
God told Israel because of their rebelliousness that He would hide His face from them and find out their end.
Does God not know what their actions and what it will lead to in the future and not know if they will change or not.
Concerning nations ruling and governments and kingdoms God has an influence there so God knows the future of them beforehand because He has control there.
God knows our hearts if we are wicked and the future of that wickedness.
But does He know the future if we will change.
The same as being good led of the Spirit does He know if we will change.
For what is in our heart we will behave that way which God knows about.
But if it is not on our heart then does God know if we will change whether good or bad.
Because it seems what is on our heart and thoughts is what God can read about us.
So He might not know our actions or if we will change in the future.
But He does know if we have doubt whether claiming Christianity or the world and at least know there is a possibility that we could change.
And if the doubt is too much might know they will change.
Open theism, Molinism, Dynamic Omniscience.
I am not going to try to understand what they are saying.
It is like people that say hyper grace like they are inputting more than necessary.
What is next super hyper grace.
And then super duper hyper grace.
And then super duper hyper grace to the second power.
And then super duper hyper grace to the second power with a cherry on top.
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Blue155
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No accusation was made.
You can ask a question without becoming excessively offended over a statement of scriptural truth as well.
There isn't much to to learn in Christianity, seek justice, love mercy, walk humbly with your God.
best wishes
Open theism would be hard to prove because there are so many verses that explicitly state God knows the future, sometimes centuries ahead. Such as Abraham being told it would be centuries before His descendants will inherit the land because the measure of their sins is not full yet, if open theism is true, how can God know that? What if they had repented during those years?
Molinism can be shown to agree with Scripture, but it is more of a philosophical framework because the Bible never talks about God looking at all the possible worlds He could create etc. The Bible does speak of counter-factuals, which are part of the molinism grid of things.
I see the only thing left after the resurrected Christ for all is: to be new in his risen life to love all through you. With the same mercy and love given you, from his going to that cross without a flesh fight back at all?
I see God won through Son, for us to be new in love and mercy also. A gift from God Father to us all to get, and learn from mistakes, not sin anymore, mistakes made. God heals, healed by Son for us all y'all. Threw away the thief of John 10:1-10a to see John 10:10b and be humble in this gift with thanksgiving and praise seeing it is done John 19:30, Psalm 103:12, given the new Heart of Ezekiel 36:26
From God. not anyone else. Stand therefore in the done work of Father through Son Jesus and see Col 1:21-22 please
If you do, or since you probably will make. another mistake, possibly the same one again. Will, or does God continue in keeping us each forgiven, thanks to Son or not?
Is it done finished being under Law or not by Son once for us all or not? You do know why he came to earth in the flesh don't you? Matthew 5:17 not to destroy Law to fulfill Law. Did he do that? Is Law by Son fulfilled? So love all as called
Romans 12:20
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Learn from God over self and others preaching God's word. Trust God personally and see truth, become wise to all, yet remain harmless in the awareness, which only God Father and risen Son Jesus can do through you, if, or since you decide to trust God and not second guess truth you know is true given to you from God Father in the risen Son for you in love to all, not a few anymore
How freeing is that?
Truth sets people free, under Law puts people in stress and anger resides and troubles happen to us all over that