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Sorry ieuan, why are you equating 'talents of money' in this passage, with faith?
The pericope says that each of the three were given talents of money '...according to their ability'
How do you interpret talents in this context with faith? I ask because you then base your subsequent opinion on this false, or questionable predicate. This is why the passage makes no sense to you, or anyone else, because you started off altogether on a misconstrued assumption.
God gives people abilities or resources according to their potential, or faith.
It is their faith that determines how productive and fruitful that they are with the talents bestowed upon them.
Thus, it was the man's lack of productivity with the talents that were given to him, that exposed his predisposed lack of faith.
The pericope says that each of the three were given talents of money '...according to their ability'
How do you interpret talents in this context with faith? I ask because you then base your subsequent opinion on this false, or questionable predicate. This is why the passage makes no sense to you, or anyone else, because you started off altogether on a misconstrued assumption.
God gives people abilities or resources according to their potential, or faith.
It is their faith that determines how productive and fruitful that they are with the talents bestowed upon them.
Thus, it was the man's lack of productivity with the talents that were given to him, that exposed his predisposed lack of faith.
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I think he is referring to scripture that says God will judge His people in Hebrews 10. Heres an excerpt
Hebrews 10:37 “For in just a little while,
the Coming One will come and not delay.
38 And my righteous ones will live by faith.
But I will take no pleasure in anyone who turns away.”
39 But we are not like those who turn away from God to their own destruction. We are the faithful ones, whose souls will be saved.
Hebrews 10:37 “For in just a little while,
the Coming One will come and not delay.
38 And my righteous ones will live by faith.
But I will take no pleasure in anyone who turns away.”
39 But we are not like those who turn away from God to their own destruction. We are the faithful ones, whose souls will be saved.
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I don't intend to get involved with the name of the Lord and/or spelling argument; each to his own.
And it is a simple question, why did this man receive a talent from the Lord. Talent - (gift -skill- faith-grace)
and it is true as mentioned above the man turned away and the gift of faith was removed
and he was left worse off than when he started.
So if those who are truly saved can never fall away, why did this man fall away. This is very important and it relates to the church in general.
A complimentary passage is that of the Sower and the Seed and the same question remains.
Thanks for responding.
And it is a simple question, why did this man receive a talent from the Lord. Talent - (gift -skill- faith-grace)
and it is true as mentioned above the man turned away and the gift of faith was removed
and he was left worse off than when he started.
So if those who are truly saved can never fall away, why did this man fall away. This is very important and it relates to the church in general.
A complimentary passage is that of the Sower and the Seed and the same question remains.
Thanks for responding.
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I don't intend to get involved with the name of the Lord and/or spelling argument; each to his own.
And it is a simple question, why did this man receive a talent from the Lord. Talent - (gift -skill- faith-grace)
and it is true as mentioned above the man turned away and the gift of faith was removed
and he was left worse off than when he started.
So if those who are truly saved can never fall away, why did this man fall away. This is very important and it relates to the church in general.
A complimentary passage is that of the Sower and the Seed and the same question remains.
Thanks for responding.
And it is a simple question, why did this man receive a talent from the Lord. Talent - (gift -skill- faith-grace)
and it is true as mentioned above the man turned away and the gift of faith was removed
and he was left worse off than when he started.
So if those who are truly saved can never fall away, why did this man fall away. This is very important and it relates to the church in general.
A complimentary passage is that of the Sower and the Seed and the same question remains.
Thanks for responding.
Your doctrine or belief must be wrong. Based on your reply I see your error. Even being truly saved, we must finish the good race and not turn away in hardship, struggles or pressures of the world. Because only those who remain true in faith in Christ will be crowned with eternal life. God bless you in your studies.
John 3:18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed.21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.”
32 He testifies about what he has seen and heard, but how few believe what he tells them! 33 Anyone who accepts his testimony can affirm that God is true. 34 For he is sent by God. He speaks God’s words, for God gives him the Spirit without limit. 35 The Father loves his Son and has put everything into his hands.36 And anyone who believes in God’s Son has eternal life. Anyone who doesn’t obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remains under God’s angry judgment.”
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I don't intend to get involved with the name of the Lord and/or spelling argument; each to his own.
And it is a simple question, why did this man receive a talent from the Lord. Talent - (gift -skill- faith-grace)
and it is true as mentioned above (by the senior member) the man turned away and the gift of faith was
removed and he was left worse off than when he started.
And yes we are to be workers, but are not saved by works it is God that gives the increase,
we are broadcasters of His Word, the HS applies our witness as He determines.
But I am seeking a more defined reason for this. The question has been answered even by Augustus
and later Calvin followed his lead, both did not go into great detail, but there are three parables that
address this issues, and it is a balancing doctrine between the wicked and hell and those who first
believe then fall away and those that endure to the end.
Also involved is why do true Christians fall into sin, occasionally - once yet show all the hallmarks
of faith and for all we know die in faith praising God.
So this simple question is why did they fall away (i.e. give up their faith - stopped believing in their
Creator). It is very important to those who lack assurance that is why the Lord gave three parables
relating to this (stories with hidden spiritual truths).
So if those who are truly saved can never fall away, why did this man fall away.
This is very important and it relates to the church in general.
A complimentary passage is that of the Sower and the Seed and the same question remains.
Thanks for responding.
Sorry I ran out of time
so posted again.
And it is a simple question, why did this man receive a talent from the Lord. Talent - (gift -skill- faith-grace)
and it is true as mentioned above (by the senior member) the man turned away and the gift of faith was
removed and he was left worse off than when he started.
And yes we are to be workers, but are not saved by works it is God that gives the increase,
we are broadcasters of His Word, the HS applies our witness as He determines.
But I am seeking a more defined reason for this. The question has been answered even by Augustus
and later Calvin followed his lead, both did not go into great detail, but there are three parables that
address this issues, and it is a balancing doctrine between the wicked and hell and those who first
believe then fall away and those that endure to the end.
Also involved is why do true Christians fall into sin, occasionally - once yet show all the hallmarks
of faith and for all we know die in faith praising God.
So this simple question is why did they fall away (i.e. give up their faith - stopped believing in their
Creator). It is very important to those who lack assurance that is why the Lord gave three parables
relating to this (stories with hidden spiritual truths).
So if those who are truly saved can never fall away, why did this man fall away.
This is very important and it relates to the church in general.
A complimentary passage is that of the Sower and the Seed and the same question remains.
Thanks for responding.
Sorry I ran out of time
so posted again.
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Quote from TLC209 "Your doctrine or belief must be wrong. Based on your reply I see your error."
I don't intend to get into argumants and futile debate, it does no good.
My question remains and those who wish to pursue this line of discussion will do so amicably, hopefully.
Thanks TLC209 for your blessing
I don't intend to get into argumants and futile debate, it does no good.
My question remains and those who wish to pursue this line of discussion will do so amicably, hopefully.
Thanks TLC209 for your blessing
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It is important to understand that the Lord took the gift away.
The man hid the gift. He did not throw it away.
The Lord Took the Gift. He had the power to give and he had the power to take away
and the man was left worse of than at the beginning.
Maybe I am too soft in my approach, but I dislike people saying to other Christians
that is not true - or you are a liar - or your doctrine is false and hell bound.
I don't like this contentious method of discussion, I prefer you say if you disagree,
I don't see it that way. it is much more convenient, if you don't mind.
The man hid the gift. He did not throw it away.
The Lord Took the Gift. He had the power to give and he had the power to take away
and the man was left worse of than at the beginning.
Maybe I am too soft in my approach, but I dislike people saying to other Christians
that is not true - or you are a liar - or your doctrine is false and hell bound.
I don't like this contentious method of discussion, I prefer you say if you disagree,
I don't see it that way. it is much more convenient, if you don't mind.
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Well, how do you receive the seed
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Matt 13:23
since a man can receive nothing except it be given unto him from heaven
Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me. Mark 9:37
Parable 23:23
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. .John 14:18
But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Matt 13:23
since a man can receive nothing except it be given unto him from heaven
Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me. Mark 9:37
Parable 23:23
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. .John 14:18
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The talents represent monetary value and are distibuted according to ability (Matthew 25:15). The requirement is to invest in Christ. The first two servants deposited their talents with the bankers (verse 27) but the third servant buried his talent in the ground (verse 25). The third servant had been given a talent according to his ability and the opportunity to believe and bear fruit in accordance, but chose to reject it.
The fact that the latter man in this parable is called "wicked" and "lazy" and an "unprofitable" servant (Matthew 25:26-30) who is "cast out into outer darkness," certainly indicates that he was not a true disciple of the master. The idea of this illustrative parable is that all true believers will produce fruit in varying degress. All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful (Matthew 13:23). Those who produce no results at all were not truly converted.
This man's characterization of the master maligns him as "reaping and gathering what he had no right to claim as his own." This wicked so-called servant does not represent a genuine believer, for it is obvious that this man had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness. The fact that this man is called a "servant" does not necessarily mean that he was saved.
The children of Israel were called "servants" but they were not all saved. Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. Isaiah 43:10 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, And My servant whom I have chosen..
The fact that the latter man in this parable is called "wicked" and "lazy" and an "unprofitable" servant (Matthew 25:26-30) who is "cast out into outer darkness," certainly indicates that he was not a true disciple of the master. The idea of this illustrative parable is that all true believers will produce fruit in varying degress. All genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful (Matthew 13:23). Those who produce no results at all were not truly converted.
This man's characterization of the master maligns him as "reaping and gathering what he had no right to claim as his own." This wicked so-called servant does not represent a genuine believer, for it is obvious that this man had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness. The fact that this man is called a "servant" does not necessarily mean that he was saved.
The children of Israel were called "servants" but they were not all saved. Leviticus 25:55 - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. Isaiah 43:10 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, And My servant whom I have chosen..
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Mailmandan gives a very detailed answer and he tries to answer the question
also using biblical quotations.
In paragraph 1 he is correct, talent are money but because of the hidden spiritual meanings in parables they represent faith or grace
paragraph 2. he is correct - not a true believer, an important distinction, for there are wolves among the sheep
be careful not to judge a man by outward appearances, many Christians do their good works in secret
Elijah complained to the Lord that only he was saved, but unknown to Elijah the Lord had 4 thousand of His people
stored away as it were, known only to himself.
paragraph 3. also correct
I agree with Mailandan.
There remains that question why are some truly saved and some although displaying great joy at first fall away gradually or immediately?
also using biblical quotations.
In paragraph 1 he is correct, talent are money but because of the hidden spiritual meanings in parables they represent faith or grace
paragraph 2. he is correct - not a true believer, an important distinction, for there are wolves among the sheep
be careful not to judge a man by outward appearances, many Christians do their good works in secret
Elijah complained to the Lord that only he was saved, but unknown to Elijah the Lord had 4 thousand of His people
stored away as it were, known only to himself.
paragraph 3. also correct
I agree with Mailandan.
There remains that question why are some truly saved and some although displaying great joy at first fall away gradually or immediately?
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This is what the Lord gave me a long time ago about this parable. You may not agree and that is ok. Many of the Parables can be related to other stories and happenings in the life of Christ. This particular one is related to the woman at the well. There are many symbols in the Bible and in this case the talent is the symbol of the TRUTH. You have often heard is said how people bury the truth. Well this is where is comes from. In the Book of Isaiah is says that Hail which is also a symbol of the truth sweeps away lies. Isaiah 28:17 17I will make justice the measuring line and righteousness the plumb line; hail will sweep away your refuge, the lie, and water will overflow your hiding place. In the Book of Rev it says that the hail weighed a talent. Rev 16:21 KJV"And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.”
Jesus is the TRUTH! He sweeps away all lies. HE is the WORD!
So in this parable HE gives them TRUTH. They are expected to sow it in the hearts of others. In the ground of the hearts of other men. But this one man, keeps it in his own heart. He does not share it. He does not share the TRUTH. It says in the parable, GOD reaps where HE has not sown. HE GAINS THE HEARTS and SOULS OF men BY THE TRUTH, that we plant and that TRUTH is JESUS!
In the story of the woman at the well, JESUS tell the disciples the same thing. In John 4:36-38 KJV "And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. 38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours." Its the very same principle. One is sowing but another is reaping.
The currency of GOD is TRUTH and when that TRUTH gets in the ground of mens hearts and and they don't let fear bury it, it becomes fruitful and multiplies.
All Glory and Honour is Yours Almighty Father through Your Son, JESUS CHRIST!
Jesus is the TRUTH! He sweeps away all lies. HE is the WORD!
So in this parable HE gives them TRUTH. They are expected to sow it in the hearts of others. In the ground of the hearts of other men. But this one man, keeps it in his own heart. He does not share it. He does not share the TRUTH. It says in the parable, GOD reaps where HE has not sown. HE GAINS THE HEARTS and SOULS OF men BY THE TRUTH, that we plant and that TRUTH is JESUS!
In the story of the woman at the well, JESUS tell the disciples the same thing. In John 4:36-38 KJV "And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together. 37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth. 38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: other men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours." Its the very same principle. One is sowing but another is reaping.
The currency of GOD is TRUTH and when that TRUTH gets in the ground of mens hearts and and they don't let fear bury it, it becomes fruitful and multiplies.
All Glory and Honour is Yours Almighty Father through Your Son, JESUS CHRIST!
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To Stained:
I like your answer to the question.
You have answered truthfully with out malice
you addressed the issue without controversy
what more can a man ask.
I will in a week answer the question fully from my understanding of scripture
with biblical passages and from other sources, but basically it is
a very simple answer to a simple question.
I like your answer to the question.
You have answered truthfully with out malice
you addressed the issue without controversy
what more can a man ask.
I will in a week answer the question fully from my understanding of scripture
with biblical passages and from other sources, but basically it is
a very simple answer to a simple question.
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I can appreciate your desire to clarify. Often, a third party can see both sides of a position and "translate" between them.
In this case, the other party is a parrot for Jimmy Swaggart who rarely expresses his own thoughts. The material he posts is rife with idolatry. He is extremely closed-minded, does not discuss his posts without anathematizing any who disagree with him, and generally is little more than a clanging cymbal. He has me on Ignore, so he won't see my challenge at all, let alone respond to it.
In this case, the other party is a parrot for Jimmy Swaggart who rarely expresses his own thoughts. The material he posts is rife with idolatry. He is extremely closed-minded, does not discuss his posts without anathematizing any who disagree with him, and generally is little more than a clanging cymbal. He has me on Ignore, so he won't see my challenge at all, let alone respond to it.
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