One being God

[JaumeJ]

5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;

Gibbor Abi is Almighty or Mighty Abi is Father.....this translation is from the Masoretic Text.

 

[JaumeJ]

You read it. In the Hebrew form, “Father” is not listed. It only states “everlasting”. I do not contest Yeshua is deity, nor that He existed before He was born in the flesh. He and the Father existed together, separately. Elohim means gods, plural. It is always different when expressing God as One. It’s clearly what the Bible states without men adding meaning to it. If it wasn’t for God blessing me with understanding, wisdom and knowledge I probably would be stumbling in the dark following blind guides. May the Eternal Father bless you. I know you are speaking to me as a brother in an effort to lead me to the truth. The Lord has guided me and I see where man has gone astray.

You are in error. Read te above.

5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;

 

[JaumeJ]

Let me just ask you point blank jaumel, are you saying that Jesus Christ who is the subject of Isaiah 9:6 the person of God the Father?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Allow me once more to say to you, borrowing your adverb, kpoint blank, Isaiah was given by the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit what to write, and he, from our Maker, teaches us tThey are One. Do not make it me saying it, for I have shared what our Father says on the subject. If this is not good enough for you, please do not try to make it something a man has dreamed up. It is from our El, or, Elohanu.

 

[bluto]

Allow me once more to say to you, borrowing your adverb, kpoint blank, Isaiah was given by the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit what to write, and he, from our Maker, teaches us tThey are One. Do not make it me saying it, for I have shared what our Father says on the subject. If this is not good enough for you, please do not try to make it something a man has dreamed up. It is from our El, or, Elohanu.

Ok, how are they one? According to Isaiah 9:6 are they one and the same person or are they one in nature?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[PS]

If I write, or say, “I am a plumber,” to you, does this mean I am calling Jehovah a plumber? Perhaps Christ was just using, “I am...” in its proper tense and not addressing Himself as the Great I Am in many of the references you chose. Regardless, I would have just ignored your post if it wasn’t so obviously far reaching. Like I said believe what you want.

If you said "I AM" a plumber, it means YOU are a plumber. (Assuming you are being truthful)

Jesus said He was the I AM. That means he IS the I AM. Moses spoke to Him years earlier. God is eternal and omnipresent.

Your logic is nonsensical.

 

[PS]

Let me just ask you point blank jaumel, are you saying that Jesus Christ who is the subject of Isaiah 9:6 the person of God the Father?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Did you know the Queen of England is Commander of the Canadian Forces, the Duke of Lancaster, and Head of the New Zealand Defence Force as well as being Queen of England. She is four persons in one. Yet she is ONE Queen.

She is that even without being omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. Yet she is ONE person.

 

[Hungry]

You are in error. Read te above.

5 For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;

Abi I’m assuming is “father”? When I looked it up I found only Abba is father but abi, is up for debate. Regardless when I looked up the passage in Strongs Bible taken from the original text, it merely identifies that abi identifies that it is masculine, completely omitting that it means father. If one debated phrase can cement it in your mind that The Christ is the Father, then good for you. It just doesn’t make any sense to me. Christ told us to pray to the Father, that He will sit at His right hand, that He will advocate on our behalf to the Father. As well, Yeshua prayed to the Father, the Father spoke stating Yeshua was His Son. It makes abundantly more sense that they are separate. Believe what you want, I will do the same.

 

[Hungry]

If you said "I AM" a plumber, it means YOU are a plumber. (Assuming you are being truthful)

Jesus said He was the I AM. That means he IS the I AM. Moses spoke to Him years earlier. God is eternal and omnipresent.

Your logic is nonsensical.

I was showing you your logic, which I agree is nonsensical.

 

[JaumeJ]

Ok, how are they one? According to Isaiah 9:6 are they one and the same person or are they one in nature?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Allow me to paraphrase with understanding given me. Long before Jesus in the flesh, in the very beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. hE IS OUR Father.

When He created all that we see and rested on the Seventh Day, He gave us His day of rest as a gift, forever.

Later we, mankind, turned away from the Maker to those things made by Him. Mankind was put through a lot of trials and tribulation b his own covetness unti God came down to us, Himself, in our form in order that we might discover how to pleas Him, and in so doing find joy and glory for ourselves in Salvation and being with our Father foreve in Heaven, that is our Eternal Father.

When He was with us in fhe ¨Flesh He was just as we are, and He was tempted with all the temptations that ever were or will be and resisted them all, just so we would know directly from God that our Maker is trustworhty and true..

Jesus, being "just a man" as all flesh did have one thing we do not or did not, and that is true knowledge of the Father and all He is, but without actually being God, yet He was god come down to save us. As He told the people after He was brought back, the firstborn, of the dead, His Body was not yet glorified, and after forty days He ascended back to the Father.

Now do not be alarmed that He is now One with the Father and the Holy Spirit for in the OT Yahweh declared He is our Husband, He is our Redeemer, and He is our King.

Yes the Son is the Father come down to save us, bust while He was yet in the flesh, for He had to be like us in order for men to give Him the glory and credit of being a true judge, He was not God, yet at the sametime He was God in the flesh.

Just as we are members of His Body, so He was the same of the Father.

In the OT God declares His Arm is not shortened that It cannot save." This Arm of the Father is Jesus with us, and now is back to the Right Hand of our Father, King and God forever.

The sacrifice the Father did for you and for me is incredibly great, too great to measure. Please If you do not read all of this, do not reply to it, for I believe it is very important to all and glorifies our King. All glory to Jesus, Yeshua, our Savior and God,amen.

 

[PS]

Abi I’m assuming is “father”? When I looked it up I found only Abba is father but abi, is up for debate. Regardless when I looked up the passage in Strongs Bible taken from the original text, it merely identifies that abi identifies that it is masculine, completely omitting that it means father. If one debated phrase can cement it in your mind that The Christ is the Father, then good for you. It just doesn’t make any sense to me. Christ told us to pray to the Father, that He will sit at His right hand, that He will advocate on our behalf to the Father. As well, Yeshua prayed to the Father, the Father spoke stating Yeshua was His Son. It makes abundantly more sense that they are separate. Believe what you want, I will do the same.

If it is Hebrew you want:

Jehovah-Rohi “the Lord is my Shepherd” Ps. 23:l; Ez. 34:11/John 10:11,27
Please note here that it was Jesus’ claim to be “THE SHEPHERD” and by saying that He and His Father “are one” that the Jews wanted to kill Him (v.26-33)
“..because you, being a man, make yourself God.”(Jesus was claiming to BE GOD)
Psalm 23:1
The LORD (Jehovah) is my shepherd; I shall not want.
Ezekiel 34:11
For thus saith the Lord (Jehovah) God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

John 10:11, 27, 33 Jesus said:
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
…My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
…The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Jehovah-Tsidkenu “the Lord our Righteousness” Jer. 23:5-6/2 Cor. 5:21
Jeremiah 23:5-6
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. [6] In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. (Jehovah Tsidkenu)
2 Cor. 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
This Kings NAME shall be called “Jehovah Tsidkenu”, The Lord our Righteousness! He will be a descendent of David!
Zech. 6:12-13
And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord: [13] Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Hebrews 1:8-9
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. [9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Rev. 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jehovah-Shammah “the Lord is There” Ez. 48:35/Matt. 1:23; 18:20; 28:20
Ezekiel 48:35
It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there. (Jehovah Shammah)
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew 18:20 Jesus said:
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Matthew 28:20 Jesus said:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jehovah– Jireh “the Lord will Provide” Gen. 22:8,14/John 1:29; 8:56
Genesis 22:8
And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Genesis 22:14
And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.

Abraham saw Jesus, the Lamb of God whom would be slain on the very same mount.
John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 8:56 Jesus said:
Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Abraham SAW Jehovah Jireh, the LORD Himself, as the Lamb! Abraham SAW Jesus on that day! He saw his deliverer, his salvation... HE SAW GOD, his provider “and was glad”! Abraham knew that one day, Jesus Christ would die on that very same mount that Abraham was willing to sacrifice his own “only” son. The Father in heaven would one day sacrifice HIS ONLY Son!

 

[JaumeJ]

Abi I’m assuming is “father”? When I looked it up I found only Abba is father but abi, is up for debate. Regardless when I looked up the passage in Strongs Bible taken from the original text, it merely identifies that abi identifies that it is masculine, completely omitting that it means father. If one debated phrase can cement it in your mind that The Christ is the Father, then good for you. It just doesn’t make any sense to me. Christ told us to pray to the Father, that He will sit at His right hand, that He will advocate on our behalf to the Father. As well, Yeshua prayed to the Father, the Father spoke stating Yeshua was His Son. It makes abundantly more sense that they are separate. Believe what you want, I will do the same.

Ab may be father, Abinu is our father, avi is my father, avo his father, and so forth.

The possissive forms and nominative forms have changed and evolved over the centuries. I certanly cannot give you detailed delineations of the development of modern nor of biblical Hebrew, but then neither can scholars of Hebrew nor rabbis for many words' definitions have been lost over the centuries. Glad to share what I know but you should at bes look up a noun you are saying you are explaining when you do not know the varied forms, posssessive in this instance.

 

[Hungry]

Ab may be father, Abinu is our father, avi is my father, avo his father, and so forth.

The possissive forms and nominative forms have changed and evolved over the centuries. I certanly cannot give you detailed delineations of the development of modern nor of biblical Hebrew, but then neither can scholars of Hebrew nor rabbis for many words' definitions have been lost over the centuries. Glad to share what I know but you should at bes look up a noun you are saying you are explaining when you do not know the varied forms, posssessive in this instance.

Could it be used in a figurative or poetic sense like Tesla was the father of AC electricity, or Abraham is the father of our faith? Could it be a form used as a patriarch? Or, in this sense must it be used to clearly label the Almighty Father? Thanks for taking the time to educate me. Still I feel in this instance it is being linked because of confirmation bias. There is just too much evidence to the contrary. I really must get back to my chores though. I will surely pray for clarity. If I have anymore questions it is nice to see we have such educated linguists on site. Shalom!

 

[JaumeJ]

Abraham, just as the name, David, also is prophetic.

Our Faith is a gift from our Father. It is a gift to all who come to Jesus, Yeshua, in spirit and truth. This gives great stress on the meaning of Abram's new name, not his original namt, it means Honored Father of the Peoples (nations).

We are of the faith of Abraham in this sense, quite leterally, for our faith is from that Honored Father of the Nations.

On the Throne of David sists our Maker for He is Beloved. David means Beloved.

Many times in the Old and New Testament collections of writings reference is mad e to Abraham and to David in more prophetic terms than in actual personas of the Word.

 

[CharliRenee]

Ab may be father, Abinu is our father, avi is my father, avo his father, and so forth.

The possissive forms and nominative forms have changed and evolved over the centuries. I certanly cannot give you detailed delineations of the development of modern nor of biblical Hebrew, but then neither can scholars of Hebrew nor rabbis for many words' definitions have been lost over the centuries. Glad to share what I know but you should at bes look up a noun you are saying you are explaining when you do not know the varied forms, posssessive in this instance.

If Jesus is the Father, then why this brother...

Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For "God has put all things in subjection under his feet." But when it says, "all things are put in subjection," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
1 Corinthians 15:24‭-‬28 ESV


Help me understand your line of thinking. I mean no disrespect in asking.

 

[JaumeJ]

Allow me to paraphrase with understanding given me. Long before Jesus in the flesh, in the very beginning, was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. hE IS OUR Father.

When He created all that we see and rested on the Seventh Day, He gave us His day of rest as a gift, forever.

Later we, mankind, turned away from the Maker to those things made by Him. Mankind was put through a lot of trials and tribulation b his own covetness unti God came down to us, Himself, in our form in order that we might discover how to pleas Him, and in so doing find joy and glory for ourselves in Salvation and being with our Father foreve in Heaven, that is our Eternal Father.

When He was with us in fhe ¨Flesh He was just as we are, and He was tempted with all the temptations that ever were or will be and resisted them all, just so we would know directly from God that our Maker is trustworhty and true..

Jesus, being "just a man" as all flesh did have one thing we do not or did not, and that is true knowledge of the Father and all He is, but without actually being God, yet He was god come down to save us. As He told the people after He was brought back, the firstborn, of the dead, His Body was not yet glorified, and after forty days He ascended back to the Father.

Now do not be alarmed that He is now One with the Father and the Holy Spirit for in the OT Yahweh declared He is our Husband, He is our Redeemer, and He is our King.

Yes the Son is the Father come down to save us, bust while He was yet in the flesh, for He had to be like us in order for men to give Him the glory and credit of being a true judge, He was not God, yet at the sametime He was God in the flesh.

Just as we are members of His Body, so He was the same of the Father.

In the OT God declares His Arm is not shortened that It cannot save." This Arm of the Father is Jesus with us, and now is back to the Right Hand of our Father, King and God forever.



The sacrifice the Father did for you and for me is incredibly great, too great to measure. Please If you do not read all of this, do not reply to it, for I believe it is very important to all and glorifies our King. All glory to Jesus, Yeshua, our Savior and God,amen.

I believe my previous post explaisn my understanding, which I truly believe has been given to me. I could never make up the above.

 

[JaumeJ]

If Jesus is the Father, then why this brother...

Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For "God has put all things in subjection under his feet." But when it says, "all things are put in subjection," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
1 Corinthians 15:24‭-‬28 ESV


Help me understand your line of thinking. I mean no disrespect in asking.

I believe my previous post explaisn my understanding, which I truly believe has been given to me. I could never make up the above.

Sorry, I forgot to include your post. god bless you always.

 

[PS]

If Jesus is the Father, then why this brother...

Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For "God has put all things in subjection under his feet." But when it says, "all things are put in subjection," it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
1 Corinthians 15:24‭-‬28 ESV


Help me understand your line of thinking. I mean no disrespect in asking.

Just my understanding if I may (I am not saying I am right).

1Co 15:23-24 KJV But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Jesus is the I AM and the Father is the I AM. They are ONE.

What is happening here, and I think it happens all through the Bible, is that when we read of the Son we are reading about things on earth and when we read of the Father we are reading about heavenly things.

So the scripture above imo is telling us about the transition from earth to heaven.

 

[PS]

Ok, how are they one? According to Isaiah 9:6 are they one and the same person or are they one in nature?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Just my opinion again, if I may. I do not see how Father and Son can be one in nature because the Father is Spirit while the Son is flesh in whom dwells the Spirit of the Father. They are ONE imo because they are of the same Spirit.

 

[JaumeJ]

Here is a thought. Jesus had to die for my sins. In order to do this, He was not God when He did it but a man of flesh just as I.

Yet, now He is God forever King, and our Salvation. Nothinsg that is now was not made by Him. He is God…………..

 

[PS]

Here is a thought. Jesus had to die for my sins. In order to do this, He was not God when He did it but a man of flesh just as I.

Yet, now He is God forever King, and our Salvation. Nothinsg that is now was not made by Him. He is God…………..

And although they killed the flesh, they can never kill the Spirit that dwelt, or was present, in Him.