It was a serious question. If only the last example in the parable of the sower were saved people, all saved people have yielded a crop, 30, 60 or 100 times what was sown. I simply invited you to explain where you have raised such a crop. Possibly modesty refrains you from responding
Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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So preaching the gospel is useless, teaching is useless. The great commission isn't necessary. Our being ambassadors for Christ is meaningless. Jesus didn't know what he was doing when he put teachers in the body of Christ.Read Titus 3.
Only the Holy Spirit will change the natural mind to understand the things of God.
Just make your point - I don't feel like playing games right now.
Your own verse once again exposes the truth
the many (all) are made dead n adam
so the many (ALL May be made alive.
God made everyone dead, so he has the ability to make everyone alive.
its why we are not under law/
Games?
The wage if sin is death
so what must be removed before we can be made alive?
its basic math its not a game
The wage of sin is death, the gift of God is eternal life
How is the gift of God given?
John 3. Whoever BELIEVES will never die, but has eternal life
the gift is given to those who believe.
Paul cannot contradict himself.
1 Corinthians 2:14 is gospel truth.
Titus 3 harmonizes, works in context, to 1 Corinthians 2:14.
Nope. The 'all" is not everyone. Was the gift given to everyone to the justification of life?
Your pet verse
Sorry my friend. It does not help your case. You will have to answer all the other questions
titus 3 says we are washed then regenerated
You can;t get around that.
1 cor 2 is about Gods truths.. The HS acts as a human spirit so everyone understands the gospel.. They do not need to understand the rest of Gods truths. Not can they until they are first adopted as a child through faith in Christ.
Only those who have been saved can believe. Faith is a gift.
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
The offer was.
thats why it says
the same word (many) us used, so in context. It must be used the same
Then you believe as I said, You have God making people DEAD because of sin, made alive BEFORE their sin is forgiven
your right. The gift of faith is a gift. it is given to many, many have great faith which is a gift. We are not talking about that
we are talking about someone who is dead admitting they are dead, and calling out for God to make them alive.
By being taken from the law of sin and death and placed under the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus - God's work - that's how.
Everything else regarding salvation is from that.
[Rom 8:1-2 KJV] 1 [There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
I give up
I showed you the penalty of sin is death
I showed you the gift of God is eternal life
I showed you that eternal life is given to those who believe (jesus own words)
You want me to believe a person is made alive before sin is forgiven (regeneration before justification)
You want me to believe God makes us alive, so we can believe, so God can make us alive (eternal life). (This really makes no sense)
and then you mocked me saying I do not understand what you believe.. Yet you keep proving you believe exactly as I have said.
The dead do not know they are dead - physically or spiritually. Calling-out is a work and as such cannot give salvation. It demonstrates
that they are dead spiritually.
You’re taken from th law of sin and death because you are justified. Your sins are for given, you have been imputed the righteousness of CHrist you have the faith of abraham (abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness) Justification through faith.
There you go with the dead example again
The dead Know God (romans 1)
The dead know He created all things (romans 1)
the dead know they are deserving of death because of sin (romans 1)
all God has to do is convince them they need Life and they can only get it through Christ.
Romans 1 proves that some spiritual things they dead not only know. But they understand, they HIDE IT IN THEIR OWN HEARTS
Sin is forgiven by God taking the elect individually from under the law of sin and death and placing them under the law of life.
Belief in Christ is a gift given to some because of His faith not ours. Our faith does not save - His does.
Thats a nice story.
But as I showed you in the verses. The Bible shows differently.
God justifies us because we trust him, We wil not recieve Gods gift, unless we trust him. many do not. Thats why the gate is narrow and few there ar that enter
most people trust themselves. Thats why they think the way to God is works, religion, or how good they are..
Jesus said we must be poor in spirit to enter the kingdom. Gods brings us to our knees, at that point, we can chose to say yes, or we can chose to say no
That is what will determine when one is saved, or if they will ever be saved..