Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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The hearing of that verse is spiritual hearing, not physical hearing. To hear spiritually, God must give
ears that can hear. Until that happens no one can believe - it comes from salvation and is not to salvation.
[Mat 13:13-14, 16 KJV]
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: ...
16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
The hearing of that verse is spiritual hearing, not physical hearing. To hear spiritually, God must give
ears that can hear. Until that happens no one can believe - it comes from salvation and is not to salvation.
[Mat 13:13-14, 16 KJV]
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: ...
16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
I provided you with scriptures that support precisely what I posted. Did you understand them?
It stems from the aspiration to repackage and employ the elite theory, with the misrepresentation of scripture as the means to do so.
The elite theory of government looks at the people who are regarded in most countries as 'cartels', who try to dictate the way that the government is run.
Yes, that's one of several that I don't see how you can get around. There is no way you can make that sentence say something else.
Even if faith is a gift from God it's still something we actively do. God offers the gift of salvation through grace and we accept it by faith. Otherwise Christians would all be a bunch of robots. The fear of works on the part of some is reaching absurd proportions.
Do you mean understand that it was Jesus walking with them? Were they not saved until then?
It needs to be called out for what it is, heresy is the correct word.
To put forth that Jesus did not die for everyone, that people are chosen and others are not granted salvation is heresy.
Salvation was brought to fruition by Christ's faith, not ours. Our faith comes as a result of His faith. It is not something that
can be "accepted" in order to invoke - true faith transforms itself into our reality in spite of us.
I asked because I recently posted of the message of wisdom among the mature being revealed by the Spirit of God in 1 Cor2, which matter of fitly connects to Hebrews 6' message of leaving the elementary teachings and being taken to maturity... a maturity that culminates in full assurance (Colossians 4:12). And so I will rephrase my question. What conclusion, exactly, do you mean to lead us to?
Well here is what the Bible says ...
28 As they approached the village to which they were going, Jesus continued on as if he were going farther. 29 But they urged him strongly, “Stay with us, for it is nearly evening; the day is almost over.” So he went in to stay with them.
30 When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. 31 Then their eyes were opened and they recognized him, and he disappeared from their sight. 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”
33 They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together 34 and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.” 35 Then the two told what had happened on the way, and how Jesus was recognized by them when he broke the bread.
So when they sat and had a meal.
That's ok. I just wanted to make sure that was being led to be coming closer to the full assurance, as is my hope, rather than to any conclusion that might bring said assurance into question.
