Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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ThereRoseaLamb said:
Yes, possibly some, but it's not possible all are being misunderstood. I'm not a new comer to the faith. Read, studied and sat under a lot of great old fashioned preaching. I don't see it. Sorry. Now it may kick in at 70 like it did for Sis Beckie, but I'm just comin' up on 50 so you'll have to give me grace until then. ;)
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I do definitely "see it" when it comes up on CC. Same old same old Heb 6 &10, James 2 etc. Solid careful exegesis sorts out the confusion/contention.
 
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Blain said:
Is it now? Look I dont know who he is to you but that is my Jesus that is my king who I revere you better believe i;m going to be offended by people who dont appreciate what he ddid they have no idea the gravity of what he and what he went through.

Did he purchase you with his blood or not? Are you his and his alone or not? you think this has anything to do with you? I would hope not because that would mean you havent given him ownership and you havent fully devoted yourself to him.

You are not your own
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Slow your roll, hero. I support your position regarding the magnitude of Christ’s complete work resulting in the irrevocable gift of our salvation, so take your misguided indignation elsewhere. Talk about petty arguments,
 
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I can see why someone would change their position on eternal security after spending a lot of time in this place. After being beaten over the head a million times with worthless clichés eventually you'd get tired of it.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
I can see why someone would change their position on eternal security after spending a lot of time in this place. After being beaten over the head a million times with worthless clichés eventually you'd get tired of it.
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That's how important examples are. The examples of those pushing this teaching changed minds way better than the best commentaries.
 
ResidentAlien said:
I can see why someone would change their position on eternal security after spending a lot of time in this place. After being beaten over the head a million times with worthless clichés eventually you'd get tired of it.
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I changed my position on eternal security after being here long enough. Actually, almost everything I currently believe came from me just trying to have a Bible discussion and being opposed at every turn, every day, for almost 3 years now.

I think someone in a previous comment called this website their church and the things people say here influence thousands of people around the world. While that may be true, I see the reality is that this forum reflects what the church really looks like and explains why denominations normally congregate separately from others; if they don't separate then years of arguing ensue.

Arguing isn't right on one hand, but defending the faith is right and to defend the faith maybe some arguing is required. I think the wisdom comes when knowing when to walk away, even if it means not getting the last word in, and focusing on our own walk with fear and trembling before God.
 
anotherperson said:
The unbeliever's false gospel: "TERMS AND RESTRICTIONS APPLY. . ."
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Sorry, I don't find this a funny topic. And I don't take what I believe lightly. Nor do I think mocking people will change their mind or help in their understanding in why you think your view is "right". I have been involved in evangelism and outreaches into the community. I do not take these things lightly in the least. Nor am I am trying to be "right". These are very important doctrines we are discussing, I don't see the humor in it.
 
JTB said:
A stray cat found our doggy door and came into our home. We welcomed it, fed it, took it to the vet, made it a full on member of our family. There was no way we would ever stop loving it, toss it out or send it away.

But ... we never sealed off the doggy door. The cat was free to leave the way it came in. At any point it could have thought "I've had enough of this it's time to move on" and left.

God is our Father. Our healer/feeder/provider. But He is not our jailer.

What He does, and what we do, are two different things. And scripture clearly explains that.
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A sad story. Thankfully we are born again Christians , not cats or dogs.
 
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I've did my best to skim through the posts and pages of this Thread and really don't see anyone making the claim that losing Salvation revolves around the actions of God.

What I do see and agree with, is the position that a person can choose to Sin and continue sinning to the point they desire Satisfaction of Flesh over the Gift of Salvation.

I also see the position that one can sin and sin and sin and remain eternally secure like riding the fence.

My position from reading Paul is that if you truly LOVE GOD, one will become more like God. And that only is possible if God is more important than the Flesh and satisfying the Flesh.

The FIRST COMMANDMENT is have no other gods before ME:

If you cannot control your Flesh and continue to Sin, you have gods before God.

There is absolutely NO ETERNAL SECURITY in that position at all.
 
When I find discussions like this as is common on every talk site I've joined or read, I think of what would Jesus say if he read it?

I think Paul gave his answer long ago. And sad as it is even his words have been used and reinterpreted so to sustain the wrong headed argument that insists eternal salvation is a myth.

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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If Jesus sacrifice didn't cover our sins eternally, if we are not reborn from a state where in we were eternally lost but for that sacrifice, and having tasted that heavenly gift being sealed by God's Holy Spirit for all time, and consequently are able to be lost by our own choice or behaviors as we were before Jesus saved us, then that fact and we put our savior to become an open shame faced poser when claiming himself savior who gives eternal life.

Which means the same thing as eternal salvation because without salvation we are subject to the eternal state of a second death.

And there is I think the pivotal part of the true gospel that shuts the door on the eternal salvation is a myth argument.

Even though I've read on other sites the argument that insists eternal life is a condition separate and apart from salvation.

I think that a silly thing to say. But I think it not unusual if it accompanies the point of view that attempts to put Jesus to open shame when it is thought he did not die to bring us into his eternal saving grace.

I don't believe God's teachings can make a dent so to change the mind that lives a false faith in conditional reprieve and reward.

Because when the gospel is turned on itself by those teachers and believers in the shame teaching who insist their choice overcomes God's promise, they cannot hear the truth of God's words through Christ. Because the ego is still in love with itself in them.

Many will call the name Jesus. That doesn't mean God knows them by name.
 
The_Watchers_2017 said:
I've did my best to skim through the posts and pages of this Thread and really don't see anyone making the claim that losing Salvation revolves around the actions of God.

What I do see and agree with, is the position that a person can choose to Sin and continue sinning to the point they desire Satisfaction of Flesh over the Gift of Salvation.

I also see the position that one can sin and sin and sin and remain eternally secure like riding the fence.

My position from reading Paul is that if you truly LOVE GOD, one will become more like God. And that only is possible if God is more important than the Flesh and satisfying the Flesh.

The FIRST COMMANDMENT is have no other gods before ME:

If you cannot control your Flesh and continue to Sin, you have gods before God.

There is absolutely NO ETERNAL SECURITY in that position at all.
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Those people you describe in the first part of your posting are not Christians.

Their example does not vacate the true gospel.
 
ButterflyJones said:
Those people you describe in the first part of your posting are not Christians.

Their example does not vacate the true gospel.
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How many sins does one commit before they aren’t a Christian anymore? Is it frequency or intensity?

Were you never saved to begin with when you hit a rough patch or did you lose your salvation?

Those are some of the important questions to me.
 
ButterflyJones said:
The gospel is the teaching of Jesus. Not me or any here. :)
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Let me enlighten you for a moment.

My Mother was raised Baptist and married my Father a Pentecostal. My Mother insisted we were to be raised Baptist and we were until I was almost in grade school.

We left because we discovered our Pastor, who believed Calvinism, also was a Leader of a group of people who wore bedsheets and chased down people of different colors and turned them into tree ornaments.

So hear my warning towards YOU, if I want to hear the gospel of Satan, I will personally seek it out myself!
 
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The latter part of Romans 8 says nothing shall separate us from the love of God. But not just the love of God, it is the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
How does one become "in Christ "? Is it something an individual does or is it something that God does?
It would seem to follow that if a person can put themselves in Christ, it would be in their power to take themselves out. If not, it would seem the converse is true.
 
Runningman said:
How many sins does one commit before they aren’t a Christian anymore? Is it frequency or intensity?

Were you never saved to begin with when you hit a rough patch or did you lose your salvation?

Those are some of the important questions to me.
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What did God say about the born again and sin?
 
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