Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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So you don’t confess Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father? It sounds like you’re trying to change what Philippians 2 says. In the Trinity we have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, right? Well, Philippians 2:11 says we confess Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. God the Father gets the glory. Do you agree or disagree?
I am saying, that even when I call Jesus Lord, I know He is God and Saviour as well.
You’re not doing exactly what Philippians 2:11 says though. I do it and people call me a heretic. This is getting ridiculous. Am I actually on a Christian forum? What is this place?
Does it actually give God glory if you confess that Jesus is less than being God.
This should make it easy: all who believe Jesus is God just write it out.
I believe Jesus is God.
This should make it easy: all who believe Jesus is God just write it out.
I believe Jesus is God.
But I am doing that. I, for the purpose of this discussion am also pointing out that Jesus is also God like Timothy claims and Saviour for His work upon the Cross plus DBR.
I’m only going to stick with the exact words in Philippians 2:11.
How about Romans 10:9
Romans 10:9
9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Do you declare Jesus is Lord and believe that God raised Jesus from the dead?
Capital L in Lord automatically makes it mean God!
So, if one can say Jesus is Capital L = Lord, they should understand they are saying Jesus is God.
So, if one can say Jesus is Capital L = Lord, they should understand they are saying Jesus is God.
I can agree to this!
But do you agree and understand capital L in Lord equals God?
When the Bible says Lord using capital L, do you believe that means Lord equals God?
Well, you’re harassing me to be vocal about something I’m not required to be vocal about, either of my own freewill or by Biblical requirement.
There’s no verse that says “you have to affirm one way or another that Jesus is God” or even describes it. We’re told what to expect from people regarding their testimony of Jesus and I’ll quote the relevant verses.
If you’ll read through the thread you keep referencing, you’ll see I referred to Jesus the way the Bible refers to Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus is Lord. You aren’t satisfied with this? I think God is satisfied with this, so why aren’t you?
This is what I believe:
Romans 10:9
9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
1 Corinthians 12
3Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
Philippians 2
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
2 John 1
7I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist
I confess and truly believe all the Bible has asked me to believe.
Your turn. Tell me where I need to answer your question according to scripture? If you can’t then I rebuke you.
Who said you “need to answer my question according to Scripture “?Well, you’re harassing me to be vocal about something I’m not required to be vocal about, either of my own freewill or by Biblical requirement.
There’s no verse that says “you have to affirm one way or another that Jesus is God” or even describes it. We’re told what to expect from people regarding their testimony of Jesus and I’ll quote the relevant verses.
If you’ll read through the thread you keep referencing, you’ll see I referred to Jesus the way the Bible refers to Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus is Lord. You aren’t satisfied with this? I think God is satisfied with this, so why aren’t you?
This is what I believe:
Romans 10:9
9If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
1 Corinthians 12
3Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
Philippians 2
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
2 John 1
7I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist
I confess and truly believe all the Bible has asked me to believe.
Your turn. Tell me where I need to answer your question according to scripture? If you can’t then I rebuke you.
I have ZERO problem saying Jesus Christ is God.
Emmanuel- GOD WITH US!! One of Jesus’s very Name.
I won’t shy away from that declaration one speck.
The question is why NOT say it!?
I don’t know a single Christian online or in person that fears saying Jesus is God. Why do you?
Since you are stuck on Lord, here is the same Lord in the Book of Genesis.
But notice, the Torah called Him Lord God:
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Runningman, I am beginning to believe you don't think Jesus is God. I have not done you wrong or gave you any reason why you should not address my question. But your silence speaks very loud.
If I am wrong, and I pray that I am, do you think Lord is another term for God, as in, Jesus is Lord God?
If I am wrong, and I pray that I am, do you think Lord is another term for God, as in, Jesus is Lord God?
Dead in this context, and according to the Greek words used, means without life. In this context it means lack of eternal life. Just as the parable that speaks of our “Righteousness being as filthy rags,” a little digging indicates that phrase is speaking about blood present on a menstrual cloth.
The bloodiness indicated there was no life present in the womb. So, the answer about what being dead means, is what Jesus told Nicodemus when he asked how could he go back into his mothers womb. We all need a rebirth, from above, to be made truly alive.
One can be physically alive, and spiritually dead.
You know what, I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
What is obvious to me now is you are playing games with scripture in an attempt to justify your lack of response.
Runningman, Guess I have to just open up a can on you...
Look what Peter wrote in my attachment:
Jesus is GOD!!
Peter says, God and Saviour Jesus Christ!
Jesus Christ is God and Saviour!
Told you the Bible claims it so plainly to deny it makes one a liar.
Look what Peter wrote in my attachment:
Jesus is GOD!!
Peter says, God and Saviour Jesus Christ!
Jesus Christ is God and Saviour!
Told you the Bible claims it so plainly to deny it makes one a liar.
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I’m working right now and a bit busy with a client so I can’t respond immediately.
I have a minute while I’m waiting, but the response is probably not what you are expecting. I’m actually a bit surprised how I’m following exactly what the Bible says and you’re still surprised or doubting me. It’s clear I’m not the heretic.
And the word lord in the New Testament means master. The word God is an entirely different word with an entirely different meaning. There is no word that means the same thing as God.
