Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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There is no gospel in the Book of James, start there and maybe you can begin to understand what James is writing about.
What about these?
Romans 1:3-5 concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations,
Romans 2:6-8 He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
Colossians 3:5-14 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. On account of these the wrath of God is coming. In these you too once walked, when you were living in them. But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator. Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all.
Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.
(It's also interesting to hear Judaizers say unbelieving Jews are still God's chosen people, while this epistle openly refers to Christians as God's chosen ones!
Both are needed.
Whether is faith only or both that saves, a faith without works is dead.
i guess theres room or still time for them to repent
I mean this could have all ended at the cross right. No more unbelieving Jews! But they STILL want to unbelieve. grrr
Yes, they may be individually grafted again if they don't continue in unbelief.
But some say they will all be saved regardless, which is what crosses over the boundary of heresy.
Nope, you nullify the work of the cross and resurrection, do you realize that in your dogma, you advocate quid pro quo.Paul makes it clear we cannot put God in our debt.
Now the wages of the worker are not credited as a gift, but as an obligation.
However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.…
Romans 4:4
Yes of course, but their role to usher forth the Messiah has been completed. They are saved in the same way as everyone else.
Faith should activate works but works do not save.
James is not preaching a different Gospel, there is only one Gospel and it is clearly outlined several times in scripture in other places.
I have done my best to defend the Gospel but you cling to your self saving efforts, so be it.
Works can't save or add one thing to Christ's finished work. However, works are evidence of our faith. No works, no faith. Anyone who says they have faith but has no works is deluding himself.
But if Christ's sacrifice is perfect and sufficient and infinite, then why do we need more dispensations?
But the essence is that a Christian needs faith and works in their life, regardless of the details about which saves. A faith without works is dead, and works without faith do not lead anywhere.
And anyway this is not the original topic of the thread, so we can freely end this discussion.
He seems to be saying people that had (in bold)
James 2:1
My brothers, as you hold out your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, do not show favoritism.
And had
James 4:5
Or do you think the Scripture says without reason that the Spirit He caused to dwell in us yearns with envy?
Could save their
James 1:21
Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and every expression of evil, and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save your souls
If they got rid of
James 1:21
Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and every expression of evil, and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save your souls
in them
This is how that form of "saved" was used in other parts of the Scripture including 1 Timothy 1:15
further
souls.
ψυχὰς (psychas)
Noun - Accusative Feminine Plural
Strong's Greek 5590: From psucho; breath, i.e. spirit, abstractly or concretely.
The PERFECTLY Sufficient Sacrifice Of The LORD Jesus Christ has nothing
to do with dispensations, but With The PAYMENT for the PENALTY of sin
(in ALL dispensations!) - - - - - FULL PAYMENT only applied to believers!
Grace, Peace, and JOY In Christ, and In HIS FREE Gift of ETERNAL Life! Amen.
............................................................................. (not "Debunked" with temp life.)
There are requirements for someone to come under condemnation. I proved it using the Bible.
I know, agreeing with the what I am showing you in the Bible is uncomfortable, but it's there nevertheless. I'll show more from the Bible about not being born under condemnation. There's more, too, but I'll save it for later.
Babies aren't born with awareness, what may be known to God isn't plain to them, nor has His divine nature and power been clearly seen or understood, therefore they actually do have an excuse for not believing in God. Babies are not capable of understanding general revelation, denying Christ before men, or rejecting Jesus.
Romans 1:18,19
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.