Come on man. There are tons of unequivocal doctrinal statements that indicate otherwise.
All the counsel of God needs to be examined before issuing off the cuff decrees.
Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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All the counsel of God needs to be examined before issuing off the cuff decrees.
Actually Paul supports it:
But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. Col1:22&23
And,
“But my righteous[g] one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.”[h]
39 But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
Heb10:38&39
We should never trust on one verse to ascertain a doctrine God might communicate. It may be that it does,
but we cannot depend upon that being the case.
That is why we are informed of the following:
[2Pe 1:20 KJV] 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
[1Co 2:13 KJV] 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
I am not worried about what a bible translation says.
I am worried about what the Bible says
I looked up and showed you the greek defenitions.
I am not sure what the other passages have to do with all humankind,
again, We are dead as a result of sin. It is the reason for our death
we can not be made alive UNTIL that cause is removed/
You have God making people alive without removing the cause. Thats error/
Actually only the last group was saved
the others were not saved, hence why they never produced fruit
Please repeat this to yourself.
make sure your not the one overturning is misrepresenting the passage.
We need (myself included) to match our belief with the word. Not make the word math our belief
There are a whole lot of passages like those; but the single idea of eternal salvation trumps everything else in the minds of many. It's like they have blinders on. If it doesn't validate this one idea it doesn't exist.
I completely agree with you, we should not trust in one verse of scripture to build a doctrine on. And, I know no one on the internet ever changes their mind, so there is not much point in continuing this is there. I can give you multiple verses as you can me. So what do we do, do we say scripture contradicts itself all over the place? In my view, we seek a way to avoid that happening. Suppose a young person goes to church because their parents make them. They make some friends there who are all committed christians. The young person does not want to feel left out, so they make a commitment too. Will God ''officially'' place them in a saved state inspite of their less than full blooded commitment? Yes he will. The fact they made a shallow commitment does not negate them still being placed in a saved state, if we accept Jesus words. In all likelihood they will walk away, others who make a full bloodied commitment will not. If you take a hard and fast view one way or the other, you are going to contradict very plain statements in the bible. My conscience will not allow me to do that
the very passage you quoted shows you Gods truth
- Hebrews 10:39
But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul
we are those who are born again.
Your right, eternal life is not eternal
we must earn the right to have salvation. Or we can lose it.
We had better leave it there, a scripture quoting contest on this subject is not something I feel inspired to do.
And I showed you mine.
Removing sin is what makes someone alive spiritually, not the reverse. Man cannot do that, only God can.
[Col 2:13 KJV]
3 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
No, He won't. Only God is the Saviour, and therefore, alone saves. We (or they of your example), are not. Man's commitment, being of himself, is meaningless and carries no weight with God - just the opposite in fact. If it is of man's doing, it is a work and anathema to God. Salvation is only though Jesus Christ, not man.
Of course you will stick to your view, most on the internet have spent far too much time studying to ever admit to error. However, you will contradict very plain statements in the bible, holding to your hard and fast view. But again, on the internet that is not really a problem is it, any verse can be overturned from what it plainly states if it disagrees with a persons preconceived ideas
It's a simple issue to resolve: Is Jesus the Saviour or is He not? Just a yes or no, please
Then why is not called "temporary life"? Do you see the folly of that statement?