Oklahoma State Superintendent of Schools

[p_rehbein]

As a teacher I think it's a great idea... for multiple reasons.

1. Obviously inviting God into the schools. Let's see if the school violence goes down.

2. It promotes unity and addresses the ideas of the founding fathers. I guarantee it will increase scores and make history more understandable for kids. BCE before common Era BS that no child and barely any adults understand.

3. It teaches morales and curiosity about the spiritual. Again it helps with understanding a lot of books and references to them.

4. It will keep the rainbow flags out.

All of that being said I don't think it will last and the lawsuits will be through the roof. But it is enjoyable watching the snakes slither about it. 🐍 😆

FIRST: Thank you for being a Teacher.

As for promoting unity, IMO, it will cause more division than unity. Maybe those children who are raised in a Christian family will have a sense of unity, however, from what I have seen lately, those would be in the minority in our Public School System Nationwide.

As for the "rainbow flags" it will do just the opposite IMO. This will give them the Constitutional right to demand "equal time" in classroom instruction. And, that will open the door for all the other religions to do the same thing. Just allowing the Christian Bible to be taught is unconstitutional as it is "State Sponsored Religion." This Nation was founded because of such State requirements concerning religion.

Yes, it is fun to see them howl. However, in this instance, I find myself (regretfully) howling with them. Unconstitutional acts are just that. And, IMO, our Public School System should NEVER be trusted to teach Scripture. Even on a Historical level. So doing requires that other religions be taught as well.

Good intentions are what the road to hell is paved with so the old adage goes.

 

[Lynx]

FIRST: Thank you for being a Teacher.

As for promoting unity, IMO, it will cause more division than unity. Maybe those children who are raised in a Christian family will have a sense of unity, however, from what I have seen lately, those would be in the minority in our Public School System Nationwide.

As for the "rainbow flags" it will do just the opposite IMO. This will give them the Constitutional right to demand "equal time" in classroom instruction. And, that will open the door for all the other religions to do the same thing. Just allowing the Christian Bible to be taught is unconstitutional as it is "State Sponsored Religion." This Nation was founded because of such State requirements concerning religion.

Yes, it is fun to see them howl. However, in this instance, I find myself (regretfully) howling with them. Unconstitutional acts are just that. And, IMO, our Public School System should NEVER be trusted to teach Scripture. Even on a Historical level. So doing requires that other religions be taught as well.

Good intentions are what the road to hell is paved with so the old adage goes.

Yeah... Do you want to see what California will teach in their schools?

 

[notmyown]

If you are asking about the first comments, I think I'm in agreement with @p_rehbein comment about not wanting those educators to teach the meaning of scripture. He made a good point because we see the problems throughout OT history resulting from heathen influences on children. It kept happening every time God's people made a practice of marrying the pagan women. The following generations worshipped other gods. The same has happened today when you talk to younger people, most of which were not raised in good churches. They were influenced primarily by those peers and teachers in schools. Families are broken through widespread divorce and the country has fallen within.

The other options are home schooling and church schools that ignore state mandates that are harmful.

apologies for being vague. i just meant this statement you made:

"I'm not sure how the separation clause would apply in regards to reading the Bible in schools."

the part i bolded is what i'm wondering about.

 

[JaumeJ]

God gave mankind dominion over the earth and all the fish of the sea and the beasts of the field.

I believe this was not ever intended to be a blessing for mankind is proving daily what his prowess is in caring for these responsibilities.

Our Father is in control and will be eternally. The time is coming, and I believe that right soon, when all will realize the error of thinking anyone else should be the overseer of the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory.

Let them legislate all they will, they can never legislate understanding and truth.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

apologies for being vague. i just meant this statement you made:

"I'm not sure how the separation clause would apply in regards to reading the Bible in schools."

the part i bolded is what i'm wondering about.

Thanks for the clarification.
That's a subject I've spent a bit of time studying/ teaching. I hope the following is helpful.

I used the term, separation clause, because of the context as referenced by Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Church. Along the same topic is the Establishment Clause in the first article in the federal Bill of Rights.

>More on Establishment Clause<.

Although public schools are a government construct, albeit local, they are not forbidden to have Biblical references. Until my time in school, retired teachers who substituted would talk about opening the class days in prayer. It was a militant God hating atheist, Madeline OHare who threatened schools with major lawsuits who got prayer removed. That expanded to Bibles and Christianity in general. Now the satanists are taking over with their programs. That was never acceptable until the libtards were given the keys to the schools.

To allow Christians to evangelize, to pray openly, read Bibles is not forbidden. Freedom of religion does not mean freedom of satanism , Hinduism or Islamic practices. Those were always forbidden and rightly so.

The separation clause of the first amendment expresses the boundaries of federal government from establishing their own religious laws, such as tithing to certain church denominations as the colonies did. The term religion was synonymous with the word denomination when the constitution was written. Back then, there were colonies that were dominated by certain churches that overstepped their gt powers by levying tithes that went to their churches.
Although Jefferson was a heathen, he was correct in thinking this practice overstepped the boundaries of Congress. The gt has no authority over matters the Bible determines.

Even so, there was no such thing as government schools at the time. Some towns had community schools that were funded by parents who used them. Today, I am forced to pay thousands of dollars in property taxes for the indoctrination of stranger's children with pagan religious teachings like Evil-utionism. Darwin didn't come up with that concept. It's a Hindu and Buddhist religious belief.

 

[p_rehbein]

IMO, the most important point being missed here is that once again parents and the Church are delegating their responsibility to their children. It is the parents and Churches responsibility to teach the Bible to their children, NOT our Public Schools. Right?

Seriously......... Scripture teaches us this does it not?

 

[gb9]

IMO, the most important point being missed here is that once again parents and the Church are delegating their responsibility to their children. It is the parents and Churches responsibility to teach the Bible to their children, NOT our Public Schools. Right?

Seriously......... Scripture teaches us this does it not?

good point!

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

IMO, the most important point being missed here is that once again parents and the Church are delegating their responsibility to their children. It is the parents and Churches responsibility to teach the Bible to their children, NOT our Public Schools. Right?

Seriously......... Scripture teaches us this does it not?

I didn't miss your point .
I agree with you that the heathen government schools should not teach children the Bible. They are not qualified and they would teach it as a work of fictional literature. At the same time they teach their Hindu religion of evil-ution as a factual science. I am forced to pay this state sponsored religion or die homeless.

Why should parents or churches delegate the raising of their children to heathens in the first place?
See Judges 10, the whole chapter.
Aren't gt schools directed and taught by heathens?

@gb9

 

[blueluna5]

It's going to be taught by people who, themselves, don't believe in it or understand it. Therefore what's taught will be according to their judgemental.
And likely if forced against their will to teach it (which is problematic right there) rather than rainbow flags disappearing many will simply use the lgbtq version of the bible. Or whatever other bizarre version they prefer.
Also there's nothing to stop the teachers from vocalizing their disagreements with the bible, to their students. Or even using that time to refute the bible.
And that's not even including all the parents who will be bothered by it and may take a more active role in countering those teachings at home, as well.
Forcing religious ideals on people has never worked. And forcing those who are actively opposed to those ideals, to teach them, will only work that much less.

It's not "forcing" them. It's simply giving them the knowledge.

The wicked always ruin everything. That doesn't mean we should cater to them.