No, they really are lying about what OSAS Churches teach and believe. And you really are blind to the truth, probably because you are wilfully blind, and do not ever really read any of our Posts. So be it.
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No, they really are lying about what OSAS Churches teach and believe. And you really are blind to the truth, probably because you are wilfully blind, and do not ever really read any of our Posts. So be it.
Do you believe "abide in the Vine" means the Christian must be continuously unconditionally surrendered to Jesus, or can he take time off to "abide with the Satan Holly tree"?
As in the case of a husband and wife who each fully surrender their will to the other, does the idea of fully surrendering your will to Jesus make you uncomfortable? Why, if "His commandments are not grievous"?
Why do I not hear you rejoicing that you are fully surrendered to Jesus and are laying aside habitual, known sin as the Holy Spirit reveals it to you as you walk day by day with the Lord?
Perhaps you missed my earlier answer: Before the Second Coming, Jesus will close His Heavenly Sanctuary ministry of Intercession with "let him who is unjust be unjust still...let him who is holy be still" -- at this point, there will be no more switching sides ever.
Then, He will change out of His High Priestly robes and don His Kingly apparel and then make the journey back to Earth aka the Second Coming for His bride (no secret rapture 7 years earlier).
So when you say "ever choose righteousness", you are also saying they cannot chose otherwise correct?
In a way, everyone commits habitual sin because people sin everyday in some way, shape or form. It doesn’t have to be very obvious, could be as simple as not doing something to one ought to or an attitude of the heart. One may do wrong and not be apparent to the individual.
No you won't, my friend. You keep coming back because you're in a spiritual battle and your sincere heart won't allow you to let it drop. Please keep reasoning and praying. I assure you there is NO DANGER in a knowledge that we may walk away from God at any time and miss heaven if pick up our cross daily and follow Jesus fully surrendered. The only danger is trusting in a false doctrine that traps us in false security.
“Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”
Matthew 24:9-13 KJV
https://www.bible.com/1/mat.24.9-13.kjv
I don’t understand how this overthrows OSAS. The Christians won’t be the ones guilty of iniquity here. Remember 1 John 2:4.
“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
1 John 2:4 KJV
https://www.bible.com/1/1jn.2.4.kjv
”The love of many shall wax cold”. We are commanded to love one another. 1 John 3:23. Again, remember 1 John 2:4. Are Christians part of the many. I would say no, they are part of those who resist this temptation and endure to the end.
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“And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.”
1 John 2:3 KJV
https://www.bible.com/1/1jn.2.3.kjv
“Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.”
1 John 3:6 KJV
https://www.bible.com/1/1jn.3.6.kjv
I don’t understand the textual disharmony you mentioned here.
What are your thoughts on Matthew 7:23?
“And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
Matthew 7:23 KJV
https://www.bible.com/1/mat.7.23.kjv
Think back to Matthew 24:12-13 that we discussed above. Jesus clearly tells us here that those who work iniquity are not saved and never were.
Doesn't the concept of "choice" demand two different options? (unless we're talking politics, in which "choice" is only an illusion since boththe left and right candidates are preselected by the Luciferians who run the world LOL)
I thought I was clear, but I'll repeat:
In Matthew 24:12 KJV, the "many" are recipients of "agape" love of God. No one is going to argue that these recipients are unconverted sinners - they are the saints, for only saints partake of "agape" love, right or wrong?
Therefore, these "many" are saints who, through the practice of iniquity, kill their agape cold and dead, fail to endure to the end, and are not saved in the end.
but you didn't answer his question, and it's an excellent question:
in the resurrection will we saints be able to choose sin?
why or why not?
Matthew 7:23
“And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
Matthew 7:23 KJV
https://www.bible.com/1/mat.7.23.kjv
Those who work iniquity are not saints and never knew Christ.
I'm know I'm Southern and a bit slow...but 50 words I can handle
how about 6 and a half minutes?
listen to this, it's accurate:
la CA Vrei (Take What You Want)
I’ve been wrong more than I’ve been right
Fooling myself painted with pride
Angels of death darkness and light
Kissing my forehead
Beautifully tasted their dreams - sown shut my eyes
What do you want from me?
Mongrels and goats
They were the golden hooks in my nose
Fall on my knees Lift up my face
No longer deny Wonderful grace
You make me cry - with one drop of blood
What do you want from me?
You took my hate
replaced it with love
You took the coal that healed my tongue
You took my death
replaced it with life
You drove out the horrors that possessed my mind
You showed me peace
when I had none
Shown me forgiveness
forgot what I’d done
You gave me the sky
You gave me the sea
Take what You want from me
it's because i know what he did that i know nothing can snatch me from His hand.
it's because i am utterly in love that i cling to Him. not because i'm afraid and have no trust in Him.
He's not a terror to me; He's a Saviour; He is my Husband.
You're referring to unconscious habitual sin...like when an unskilled archer who doesn't pay attention in class is told to go out and take the shot and misses terribly...but eventually he is able to do it. There's plenty of mercy for him.
I'm talking about the best student in the class who turns completely around in the wrong direction and deliberately shoots his arrow away from the target.
In my view, much of sin is deliberate and known though some can be unconscious. I think in the majority of cases, sin is known.
So after the 2nd coming, even though we have free choice, we will always end up choosing not to sin.
Is that what you are saying?