Not By Works

[VCO]

I have...bye.

You only answered ONE of the FOUR Questions that I asked.

NOW PLEASE ANSWER THE REST.

Do you believe in the HOLY TRINITY ?
And what Denomination do you call HOME ?
And what is New Age Teaching in YOUR MIND ?

 

[Phoneman-777]

I am not concerned with what others do. I am just asking you if you practice what you preach.

If you're not concerned about what others do, why are you asking other about what they are doing?

Can you see how the lies of OSAS weaken the mind's ability to reason?

 

[Phoneman-777]

As we are doing with your false doctrine

The only difference is, You judge sinners. We do not. Because we know we are all sinners.

Look in the mirror man.

You, like all disillusioned OSAS folks, are not able to comprehend what Jesus was talking about when He said "judge not", so please...

However, for the benefit of those whose mental faculties have not been impeded by OSAS, I will say this:
"Judge not" refers to judging motives of the heart or eternal destinies, not doctrines or behavior, which falls under the canopy of "fruit inspecting". For instance, it is not wrong to condemn a pastor's adulterous actions - it is wrong to say he's done so because he's not saved or that he's going to hell for it.

 

[gb9]

You, like all disillusioned OSAS folks, are not able to comprehend what Jesus was talking about when He said "judge not", so please...

However, for the benefit of those whose mental faculties have not been impeded by OSAS, I will say this:
"Judge not" refers to judging motives of the heart or eternal destinies, not doctrines or behavior, which falls under the canopy of "fruit inspecting". For instance, it is not wrong to condemn a pastor's adulterous actions - it is wrong to say he's done so because he's not saved or that he's going to hell for it.

... which is exactly what you say- if you sin, then you are not truly saved, or in danger of losing salvation.

sometime i think you are just trolling..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you're not concerned about what others do, why are you asking other about what they are doing?

Can you see how the lies of OSAS weaken the mind's ability to reason?

I am actually trying to prove a point you can’t live up to the standard of the law

i know you still sin, I could care less about that, I ask for your sake, not mine, because until you repent, i do not see much hope for you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You, like all disillusioned OSAS folks, are not able to comprehend what Jesus was talking about when He said "judge not", so please...

However, for the benefit of those whose mental faculties have not been impeded by OSAS, I will say this:
"Judge not" refers to judging motives of the heart or eternal destinies, not doctrines or behavior, which falls under the canopy of "fruit inspecting". For instance, it is not wrong to condemn a pastor's adulterous actions - it is wrong to say he's done so because he's not saved or that he's going to hell for it.

Whatever dude,

eternal life is eternal, you think it is conditional

you explain to god why the down payment he gave all believers will be lost because he did not keep up his side of the agreement

 

[eternally-gratefull]

... which is exactly what you say- if you sin, then you are not truly saved, or in danger of losing salvation.

sometime i think you are just trolling..

I don’t know why I bother anymore, people like this like to hear themselves I think. I have to wonder what they are so afraid of that they need to come in to attack others to hide from reality of their own situation

 

[Phoneman-777]

Dude, Your legalistic gospel has been here since the begining of time, In fact, Your gospel is really no different than judaism or islam. You all base your eternity on how good you are and the works you do.

You need to get overyourself. and become like the tax collector. Your phariseeism is on display for all to see

And the antinomianism of OSASA has been around much longer...like going all the way back to the first moment Cain decided to do things his way and then demand the Lord just accept it.

The Pharisees of old claimed the promises of God without meeting the conditions for doing so: surrender. And the modern day Pharisees are still attempting to claim His promises while just as opposed to surrender as their ancient brethren. They keep trying to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Nope

We denounce anyone who says we must obey or we can lose our salvation.

A saint cannot revert back to serving Satan and expect to retain the gift of eternal life, as the Bible so plainly teaches.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I don’t know why I bother anymore, people like this like to hear themselves I think. I have to wonder what they are so afraid of that they need to come in to attack others to hide from reality of their own situation

You all are just a bunch of angry defiant adolescents who can't understand why mom and dad have all these stupid rules...you keep thinking God's law is a fence to keep you in rather than a guardrail to save your life. If you play with fire, you're going to get burned, no matter how flame retardant you think is your presumption that we may continue to claim God's promises without continuous surrender to Him.

 

[Phoneman-777]

lololol....Echo chamber sir is where you are at. BTW, how many people have you brought to the knowledge of Jesus through your "compassion, love of fellowman, showing the love of Jesus, speaking with kindness, etc" I would still like to know if you failed any commandments yesterday, day before, today, etc.

Zwingle arrived in the land and began to preach the Protestant Historicist message and the entire country of Scotland converted from Catholicism to Protestantism.

Your wishy washy false gospel doesn't save anyone - it only brings the false security of belief that we may obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

A saint cannot revert back to serving Satan and expect to retain the gift of eternal life, as the Bible so plainly teaches.

Your right they cant

1 John 3: 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Heb 10: 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

phil 1: 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

you see unlike you I believe in the power of God, and that it is his work, not my work, that is my sanctifying power, because of this, as a child of God I can’t revert to going back, because it is God who is working, if I fail, God failed to do what he promised, and that’s on God,

my God does not fail I am sad you think yours can

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You all are just a bunch of angry defiant adolescents who can't understand why mom and dad have all these stupid rules...you keep thinking God's law is a fence to keep you in rather than a guardrail to save your life. If you play with fire, you're going to get burned, no matter how flame retardant you think is your presumption that we may continue to claim God's promises without continuous surrender to Him.

Lol,

what a joke,

your the angry one,

once again I could care less, i a, not here telling everyone how great I am and angry at people who trust Christ you are,

get over yourself man., your not all that, no one is

 

[Phoneman-777]

A saint cannot revert back to serving Satan and expect to retain the gift of eternal life, as the Bible so plainly teaches.

The Unmerciful Servant was so convinced his debt was forgiven that he picked himself up from the floor and went out to taste the sweet air of freedom...but wound up having to pay the original debt due to his failure to manifest the same heart of his master, right or wrong? (Matthew 18:21-35 KJV)

The saints who allow iniquity to turn their agape cold and dead and fail to endure to the end are not going to be saved in the end, right or wrong? (Matthew 24:12-13 KJV)

Just two of several examples of why you need to stop getting your Christian doctrine from fortune cookies and gumball machines.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Your right they cant

1 John 3: 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Heb 10: 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

phil 1: 6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

you see unlike you I believe in the power of God, and that it is his work, not my work, that is my sanctifying power, because of this, as a child of God I can’t revert to going back, because it is God who is working, if I fail, God failed to do what he promised, and that’s on God,

my God does not fail I am sad you think yours can

Unlike you, I don't think that salvation doesn't change me, just God's opinion of the sin remaining in me. I know salvation changes us so that we cease from habitual, known sin aka iniquity, so that we won't hear Jesus say to us, "Depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."

OSAS believers who argue that habitual, known sin has no affect on one's salvation, I think, are seduced by a deadly delusion from which they need to turn.

 

[Phoneman-777]

I think that one has to be extremely humble and ask God for His Spirit to enlighten him in understanding scripture. There is some degree of enlightenment in this forum when people are allowed to express their questions, solutions, beliefs, or thoughts. I truly consider CC to be a blessing even though there are people who want to stifle speech that opposes their beliefs or opinions. I say put it out there and hopefully, if it's truth, God will bring enlightenment to the lucky ones.

Conservatives have always said that the best disinfectant is sunlight, while liberal, control freak, children of Satan have always sought to silence those who oppose them...and for obvious reasons.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Unlike you, I don't think that salvation doesn't change me,

what a joke

the passages I just post proved that I KNOW salvation will change me, and you twist that to say it won’t change me?

if you can’t be honest maybe you are just a troll

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Conservatives have always said that the best disinfectant is sunlight, while liberal, control freak, children of Satan have always sought to silence those who oppose them...and for obvious reasons.

I guess that makes you a liberal

 

[Phoneman-777]

First there was the law of Moses given by God to His people Israel. Everyone knows what happened there.

Then our Almighty God, Creator of Heaven and Earth, in His infinite mercy saw the Law of Moses was impossible to keep because of our sinful flesh. Through God's infinite love for His creation, He sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to bear the sins of the world and to provide a path that we sinners can follow directly to Him. Because of the precious blood of Jesus Christ, we who accept Him and become a saved soul, are cleansed and made holy in order for us to be presented to Almighty God in God's righteousness.

Thank you God for all of the above.

What a distortion of the truth. The problem was not man's inability to keep the law...it was man's inability to keep the law APART FROM THE INDWELLING POWER OF GOD.

Ask any married Christian who thinks "the only thing salvation causes to change is God's opinion of my sin that remains" if she would ever be pleased with the notion that her husband's "I do" doesn't change him, just her opinion of his fornicating ways still in him...but we are to expect God to acquiesce to OSAS?

 

[Phoneman-777]

what a joke

the passages I just post proved that I KNOW salvation will change me, and you twist that to say it won’t change me?

if you can’t be honest maybe you are just a troll

LOL If you're changed, why do you need a license like OSAS to keep doing the things you did before you became a "Christian"? Could it be that there's no indwelling overcoming power of Christ upon which to draw? Hmmmmmmm................