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The BAPTISM THAT SAVES, in not Christian Water Baptism, which is only of the first steps in our walk with the LORD, after we are SAVED.
The BAPTISM that SAVES is Spiritual Baptism, in what the HOLY SPIRIT Emerses Us INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST, which happens the instant we genuinely BELIEVE.
1 Corinthians 12:13 (NKJV)
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-- {That is Spiritual Baptism that SAVES, includes THIEF on the Cross.}
whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
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This makes no sense whatsoever
Are you going to answer my questions or not? If not say so and I will move on
And yet you cannot name a single person here who would classify you as one.
I already answered that none of the ot saints have the imputed righteousness of Christ. They are all waiting for the 2nd return of Christ to receive forgiveness of sins, with the nation Israel
I even repeatedly use acts 3:19-21 and Romans 11:26-27 that you claimed you understood.
Just because you disagree with my answer does not mean I did not answer
Your program and practice of...transference...leaves much to be desired. Geessch!
Do you Believe you are Sinless or have stopped Sinning ?
Do you believe in the HOLY TRINITY ?
And what Denomination do you call HOME ?
I am an Evangelical type of Christian, I go to Non-Demominationl Church, and we are highly Conservative, not Liberal.
IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE SEARCHING FOR ? ? ?
Romans 3:21-24 (HCSB)
21 But now, apart from the law, God’s righteousness has been revealed—attested by the Law and the Prophets
22 —that is, God’s righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ, to all who believe, since there is no distinction.
23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
24 They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
Romans 5:17-19 (HCSB)
17 Since by the one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive the overflow of grace and the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
18 So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is life-giving justification for everyone.
19 For just as through one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so also through the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.
Romans 8:10-11 (HCSB)
10 Now if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead lives in you, then He who raised Christ from the dead will also bring your mortal bodies to life through His Spirit who lives in you.
1 Corinthians 1:29-31 (ESV)
29 so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.
30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,
31 so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
Galatians 2:21 (HCSB)
21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
It is my understanding that O.T. Saints and N.T. Saints are BOTH SAVED by Grace thru Faith, and that Faith is not of yourselves, IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD. All of that SALVATION is because of this VERSE:
Malachi 3:6 (HCSB)
6 “Because I, Yahweh, have not changed,
you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.
The same way HE SAVED US, is the SAME way HE SAVED EVERYONE, including O.T. Saints.
Now THINK about this, JESUS never used the WORD Church and neither did Apostles, our forefathers changed that wording after the BIBLE was completed, because that is what we wanted to call ourselves. JESUS caused us the ASSEMBLY. Go ahead and look that up.
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly,
and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
Now Here is an example of the TWO Assemblies, and when they will become ONE Assembly.
John 10:14-16 (NASB)
14 "I am the good shepherd, and I know My own and My own know Me,
15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
He is talking to the LAST OF THE O.T. Saints, and the Church age does not start until Pentecost after HIS Resurrection. They are not ONE yet, but it will happen at the RAPTURE. Move Over and make room for the JEWS.
So my point was that
Those of us in the Body of Christ has the imputed righteousness of Christ now.
But those who belong to the nation Israel, which includes David, Samuel, Moses, and Joshua, will get their imputed righteousness of Christ in the future, when Jesus returns at the 2nd coming for Israel, to forgive the nation for all their sins. (Acts 3:19-21, Romans 11:26-27, Hebrews 8:12)
NO, it says HE does Not CHANGE.
Malachi 3:6 (NASB)
6 "For I, the LORD, do not change;
therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.
Malachi 3:6 (NKJV)
6 "For I am the LORD, I do not change;
Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.
Malachi 3:6 (NCV)
6 “I the LORD do not change.
So you descendants of Jacob have not been destroyed.
Malachi 3:6 (NJB)
6 ‘No; I, Yahweh, do not change;
and you have not ceased to be children of Jacob!
Malachi 3:6 (KJV)
6 For I am the LORD, I change not;
therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
The Same Way HE SAVES US, is the Same Way HE SAVES O.T. SAINTS, BY GRACE THE SAME WAY HE SAVED US. AND PART OF THAT GIFT OF GOD IS THE FAITH WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY HIM. HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS WAS AS GOOD AS IT GETS THE MINUTE HE PLANNED IT.
AND WHEN DID HE PLAN IT ? ? ?
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Romans 8:29-30 (HCSB)
29 For those He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers.
30 And those He predestined, He also called; and those He called, He also justified; and those He justified, He also glorified.
NOT AT ALL.
O.T. Saints are those that BELIEVED in their Hearts that MESSIAH WOULD COME, are SAVED BELIEVERS.
N.T. Saints ar e those that BELIEVED in their Hearts that MESSIAH DID COME, are SAVED BELIEVERS.
THAT IS THE EXACT SAME FAITH, the Faith of ABRAHAM.
So the 3000 that were converted to Christians the Day of Pentecost, were some of those very same O.T. SAINTS that became N.T. SAINTS.
I also believe that O.T. Saints will be the first to rise from there graves in the Resurrection:
1 Corinthians 15:22-23 (HCSB)
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; afterward, at His coming, those who belong to Christ.
AND those Jews that had the same Faith as us, are Co-Equally part of the Bride of Christ, that will be called to Heaven for the Wedding of the Lamb. Here is the Proof:
Isaiah 54:5-6 (HCSB)
5 Indeed, your husband is your Maker— His name is Yahweh of Hosts— and the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; He is called the God of all the earth.
6 For the LORD has called you, like a wife deserted and wounded in spirit, a wife of one’s youth when she is rejected,” says your God.
Isaiah 62:5 (HCSB)
5 For as a young man marries a young woman, so your sons will marry you; and as a groom rejoices over ⌊his⌋ bride, so your God will rejoice over you.
They DEFINITELY are Part of the Bride of Christ.
True, I certainly agree that the OT saints had faith too, no one is denying that.
But among the scripture you have quoted, is there one that says that OT saints put their faith in "Christ died for MY sins and rose again on the 3rd day for MY justification?
Now if you believe that to be true, even if there is no explicit scripture, I am fine too. We have the right to believe whatever doctrine we want to hold for ourselves.
I hate to butt in but you are obeying His commandments when you truly love God and your neighbors as yourself. In other words, when you receive the Holy Spirit, He fills your heart with the same love that is shared by the Father and the Son, which causes you to do everything with love in your heart. If you don't have that love, then your works are useless. Read 1 Cor 13: 1-13.
Also, read Rom 12: 9-21 which describes the works which are exhibited by true Christians that have the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Also, we are supposed to show patience, love, and respect, especially to our brothers and sisters in Christ, when expressing your beliefs. Just a reminder, there is only One truth and few are those that find it.
King James Bible
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
NASB 1995
Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."
American Standard Version
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
So, whose work is it?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
NASB 1995
Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."
American Standard Version
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
So, whose work is it?
This is one of those passages that people often apply out of context.
The works in John refers to signs and wonders, and those signs are to point Israel to believe that he is the messiah who was to come. (John 20:31)
It does not mean Israel only needed to believe in him, without having to follow the law, nor was it ever directed to us gentiles.