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crossnote said:
It's not what I want, it's what God's Word says...

Romans 5:10b (KJV) ... much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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God's love is unconditional....His salvation is VERY MUCH conditional...on condition that we believe on Him, not as the devils believe and tremble, but with a belief that results in Luke 9:23 KJV.


Of course, the OSAS crowd wants nothing to do with carrying a cross. They want habitual known sin to be a condition out of which they cannot break, not a choice that we make.
 
VCO said:
2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
19 to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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Isn't it nice to know that this verse is just restating the truth so oft stated in Scripture that Jesus decided to save us DESPITE the fact we have sinned against Him...and DOES NOT say what the OSAS crowd wants it to say: that His salvation is a license to keep on sinning?
 
dcontroversal said:
It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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Phoneman-777 said:
God's love is unconditional....His salvation is VERY MUCH conditional...on condition that we believe on Him, not as the devils believe and tremble, but with a belief that results in Luke 9:23 KJV.
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The law given at Sinai is conditional; the Gospel is unconditional.

The devils were never given the Gospel since Jesus did not die for their sins. The best they can believe is that God is Judge...and tremble.
As far as Luke 9:23 goes, our salvation is not based on our righteous doings but on His perfect obedience (the only Obedience acceptable to God) which includes His earthly obedience unto death. All have fallen short of performing that kind of obedience.

His perfect obedience is credited (imputed) to us through His death and resurrection and our faith in His redemptive work.

Romans 4:6 (KJV) Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

In that faith we are reconciled and in that reconciliation, we shall be saved. (Rom 5:10) Why? Because we have passed out of death/judgment into Life...

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
God's love is unconditional....His salvation is VERY MUCH conditional...on condition that we believe on Him, not as the devils believe and tremble, but with a belief that results in Luke 9:23 KJV.


Of course, the OSAS crowd wants nothing to do with carrying a cross. They want habitual known sin to be a condition out of which they cannot break, not a choice that we make.
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Absolutely untrue about saved once and for all by the Lord Jesus Christ. You sir need to read what scripture says about "untruth" as that is a sin too. No person who believes in saved once and for all desires to nor preaches that we can go on our merry way in our lives after salvation and live like the devil. BTW how do you know what's in another human being's heart? How do you know what anyone thinks? It's all about the heart/soul of individuals which God transforms at the moment of belief, accept, asks for forgiveness and depends upon the HS to enable them to live a godly life. Just remember, sin is sin to God. The consequences of sin depend on the severity of sin. Spreading untruth is not a Christian act.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
Isn't it nice to know that this verse is just restating the truth so oft stated in Scripture that Jesus decided to save us DESPITE the fact we have sinned against Him...and DOES NOT say what the OSAS crowd wants it to say: that His salvation is a license to keep on sinning?
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Those of you who slander OSAS people use the same ole phrase of "license to sin." Can you come up with a new one?
 
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crossnote said:
It's not what I want, it's what God's Word says...

Romans 5:10b (KJV) ... much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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Ever heard of “Imputed and Imparted Righteousness”?

The verse is simply another way of saying that by His Sacrificial death, God can IMPUTE to us Jesus’ spotless record, and by His work as High Priest Who “ever liveth to make intercession”, God can IMPART to us power to overcome as He overcame.

Nothing in there about force or compulsion, things foreign to God’s character.
 
star said:
Those of you who slander OSAS people use the same ole phrase of "license to sin." Can you come up with a new one?
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(epic eye roll in 3...2...1...)

“Slander” is criticism of one’s character - which I don’t do and don’t care if it’s done to me cause I’m not a snowflake.

Criticism of one’s ideas, however, is not only an individual prerogative, but a DUTY when such ideas are dangerous.

BTW, are you aware of how long the word “Legalist” has been thrown around by the OSAS crowd?
 
star said:
Absolutely untrue about saved once and for all by the Lord Jesus Christ. You sir need to read what scripture says about "untruth" as that is a sin too. No person who believes in saved once and for all desires to nor preaches that we can go on our merry way in our lives after salvation and live like the devil. BTW how do you know what's in another human being's heart? How do you know what anyone thinks? It's all about the heart/soul of individuals which God transforms at the moment of belief, accept, asks for forgiveness and depends upon the HS to enable them to live a godly life. Just remember, sin is sin to God. The consequences of sin depend on the severity of sin. Spreading untruth is not a Christian act.
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I don’t know much but I know enough to see that any definition of salvation which says it’s a permanent state of being irrespective of whether the person’s thinking remains surrendered to or becomes in rebellion of God’s law, redefines salvation as a license to commit deliberate known sin.
 
star said:
Those of you who slander OSAS people use the same ole phrase of "license to sin." Can you come up with a new one?
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Good luck star
legalistic Christians can’t see past their own sin. They are to busy judging everyone else’s sin
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
Ever heard of “Imputed and Imparted Righteousness”?
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Yes, I brought it up to you.
Phoneman-777 said:
The verse is simply another way of saying that by His Sacrificial death, God can IMPUTE to us Jesus’ spotless record, and by His work as High Priest Who “ever liveth to make intercession”, God can IMPART to us power to overcome as He overcame.
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It's not that He 'can' but that God '[does' reckon the believer righteous upon faith in the Gospel of His Son.
It's not an imparting of power per se but 'counting' the believer as righteous. (Infused righteousness is a Roman Catholic doctrine).
Phoneman-777 said:
Nothing in there about force or compulsion, things foreign to God’s character.
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Never said it was forced. Gifts aren't forced...they are freely given and received.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Good luck star
legalistic Christians can’t see past their own sin. They are to busy judging everyone else’s sin
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Wait, so you're going to agree with someone who's complaining about their ideological opponents' overuse of "license to sin" by calling them "legalistic", the all time, undisputed heavyweight champion of the world for overused opprobrium? :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 
Phoneman-777 said:
Wait, so you're going to agree with someone who's complaining about their ideological opponents' overuse of "license to sin" by calling them "legalistic", the all time, undisputed heavyweight champion of the world for overused opprobrium? :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
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:sleep::sleep::sleep:
 
crossnote said:
It's not an imparting of power per se but 'counting' the believer as righteous. (Infused righteousness is a Roman Catholic doctrine).
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Wrong, friend...Roman Catholic Doctrine speaks of imparted Righteousness BY THE PRIESTHOOD which is a total distortion of Imparted Righteousness BY THE SAVIOR. Of course God Imparts to us His righteousness which enable us to live the Christian life after the Imputation of Christ's righteousness which takes away our sin. There's no other way to understand it.
crossnote said:
Never said it was forced. Gifts aren't forced...they are freely given and received.
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No, but you say once the gift is accepted, the recipient is forced to retain it no matter how much he may come to believe that "free" is too high a price to pay. OSAS is just "Calvinism Lite" which rejects certain elements of "TULIP" but hangs on to "Irresistible Grace" like a fat kid on a rollercoaster down to his last twinkie. :)
 
crossnote said:
Yes, I brought it up to you.

It's not that He 'can' but that God '[does' reckon the believer righteous upon faith in the Gospel of His Son.
It's not an imparting of power per se but 'counting' the believer as righteous. (Infused righteousness is a Roman Catholic doctrine).

Never said it was forced. Gifts aren't forced...they are freely given and received.
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Good to see you posting again bro! Amen and amen to this post
 
Phoneman-777 said:
Wrong, friend...Roman Catholic Doctrine speaks of imparted Righteousness BY THE PRIESTHOOD which is a total distortion of Imparted Righteousness BY THE SAVIOR. Of course God Imparts to us His righteousness which enable us to live the Christian life after the Imputation of Christ's righteousness which takes away our sin. There's no other way to understand it.
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You seem confused. I said," Infused righteousness"; you said "Imparted Righteousness"
There is anoither way to understand it. Imputed righteousness is simply a declaration of righteousness; there is no 'impartation' involved.
Phoneman-777 said:
No, but you say once the gift is accepted, the recipient is forced to retain it no matter how much he may come to believe that "free" is too high a price to pay. OSAS is just "Calvinism Lite" which rejects certain elements of "TULIP" but hangs on to "Irresistible Grace" like a fat kid on a rollercoaster down to his last twinkie. :)
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Cute Twinkie funny, but I have never said the 'recipient is forced to retain it no matter how much ....'
When God endows us with His nature, there is no coercion involved, but a willingness to be pleasing to Him.
 
crossnote said:
You seem confused. I said," Infused righteousness"; you said "Imparted Righteousness"
There is anoither way to understand it. Imputed righteousness is simply a declaration of righteousness; there is no 'impartation' involved.

Cute Twinkie funny, but I have never said the 'recipient is forced to retain it no matter how much ....'
When God endows us with His nature, there is no coercion involved, but a willingness to be pleasing to Him.
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If only they knew
 
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