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Do you share in his sufferings? If so, how.
It says IF we share in his sufferings. That’s a conditional promise meaning we must DO something for our part. OSAS always skips the conditions required to receive the promise.
.This, by the way, is not what you said God said. You are changing your story.
Every one He desires to show me and I ask and give him time to “search me and see if there be any wicked way in me.”
He searches pretty well.
He shows me what He chooses and while it might not be everything, it’s everything He wants at that point in time. His standards, btw, are a lot higher than mine, I find.the more awake and aware you are the more it can bring to your attention.
it's our conscience that helps us believe - that we are sinners. it is something we have i guess - - that God created in us, a human thing you know? of course we were each given different dna by God though, and maybe that makes alot of the difference.
have you heard the quote:
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)
they don't stop and listen very long, to think, to ponder, to decide to change their actions, or to at least wish to, to wish to remember it always -- whatever it was they stumbled over.
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EleventhHour
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Well if your salvation is based on your asking for forgiveness for every sin then you would have to know every single sin.
Yes there is DorothyMae.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Now if we are children,then we are heirs— heirs of God and co- heirs with Christ,if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
I am a child of God....biblical......I had personal revelation from God...he then led me to this scripture.
So you deny this scripture do you,DorothyMae?
Did God not testify to your spirit that you were his child?
If he didn’t...then of course you would have difficulty understanding it.
But there it is above......for all to see....and it’s God’s Word!....now try and explain it away...good luck on that one![/QUOTE]
There is my scripture DorothyMae..now own it and apologise!
Or do you deny that scripture?
Lady...you are full of pride.....not once on this thread have I seen you apologise to anyone.
I've heard certain people in the past interpret 1 John 1:9 in such a way to imply that we must "confess each sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and if we forget a sin we are toast!
Good luck remembering and reciting every single sin!
Do you honestly think I would share that with you......I have not changed my story I posted more scripture that is all.....
You talk about others on here....you must be the most proudest person on this thread and you have the cheek to criticise others.
My salvation is not based on that at all. My ability to hear His voice clearly is based on that. Blessed are the pure (cleansed) in heart for they shall see (perceive) God. He searches me so my heart can again be clean.
I applied the criteria in the verse. That is all. OSAS ignores ALL criteria.
There is my scripture DorothyMae..now own it and apologise!
Or do you deny that scripture?
Lady...you are full of pride.....not once on this thread have I seen you apologise to anyone.[/QUOTE]
Are you going to answer this post DorothyMae?
As Paul would also explain later, the Jews require a sign (1 Corinthians 1:22)
But for us Gentiles, his instructions to us is to walk by faith and not by sight (2 Corinthians 5:7)
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EleventhHour
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I've heard certain people in the past interpret 1 John 1:9 in such a way to imply that we must "confess each sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and if we forget a sin we are toast!
They will find a myriad of ways to insert themselves into their salvation... right up to what is completely impossible.
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EleventhHour
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Her view of what is biblical salvation is not very biblical so I wouldn't be too surprised..LOL
The scripture tells us not to quench the Holy Spirit. If we refuse to confess and repent when He convicts us of sin, we are quenching Him and bit by bit, the conscience becomes hardened. Good luck knowing God’s will with a seared conscience. The only recourse is man theology assuring you of what you want to hear when you’ve rendered yourself deaf to Him.I've heard certain people in the past interpret 1 John 1:9 in such a way to imply that we must "confess each sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and if we forget a sin we are toast!
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eternally-gratefull
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So you could not show one instance of faith is forced on someone against their will. Of course I understand because you can’t
As for faith being free will. I do not have to show verses that say it word for word. We chose to trust or not trust people every day it is not an unknown subject. Even in the OT are not the words (chose this day who you will follow) spoken? Do we believe outside our will if we do is this not forced belief and as such how can that be faith at all
Again I ask. Show one instance where anyone chose to trust anyone else outside of free will.