I have the true security that God offers in his word.
Not the security man offers in his OSAS tradition.
It is better to trust in God than to put confidence in man (Psalm 118:8).
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I have the true security that God offers in his word.
Not the security man offers in his OSAS tradition.
It is better to trust in God than to put confidence in man (Psalm 118:8).
Supply a few scriptures for your position first. I want you to read the Bible.
He attacks me personally and what I share is true but not so pleasant as believing you’re going to heaven no matter how nasty you are.
Otherwise I’ll ignore the insult.
OSAS’ers cannot quote scripture to prove their teaching without fouling the water of the word with their OSAS stained feet.
Ezekiel 34:18-19
[18] Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? [19] And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
Ezekiel 34:18-19
[18] Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet? [19] And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
Sorry,i disagree..a born again has that security..it’s biblical and no I’m not posting scripture on it again...I already have done that many times.
I too stand firm on the word of God...eternal security I have.
You see once again....you can’t answer my question...because you don’t understand it...
No matter how nasty you are.
What has that got to do with being saved?
I have already explained about the nastiness....yet you dismiss it.......
WHERE in the scripture does it say “only a born again will see the kingdom of God?” I have asked you this countless times and you’ve refused to answer. If God showed you this why do refuse to show us where????
John 3 is close but does not say that.
JR, if you claim God showed you something in scripture that no one in the whole world says is there, you are elevating your personal experience above scripture.
The scripture says Jesus lost one, Judas. Jesus also says many will fall away from the faith.
This is why I keep asking for you to supply scripture and you have refused each time.
Again you point blank refuse to quote scripture. It’s like you’re afraid of it.
I dare you to supply what “nastiness” I said. You said I “need a rest, “ pretty nasty of you. I can comb through other nasty things you’ve said. Please now show me what“nastiness” you have perceived is there. I can supply more of yours.
Was it “nasty” of me to ask for scripture?
It’s like they are afraid of scripture. Or they quote a ream of verses from Proverbs (like Stone) that have nothing to do with the subject.
Scripture talks about knowing the Lords voice. It is no more automatic than salvation. One cannot claim one does because it sounds good. Those who hear his voice are very willing to quote His voice (scripture.) This is something you refuse to do.
The good news is reconciliation with God, not that you are going to heaven no matter how you behave.
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I wouldn’t know. This is eternal life, that they know you, the One True God. Knowing is not works but it does require work.
LOOK WHO YOU ARE ACCUSING OF fouling the water of the word with their OSAS stained feet.
John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
Matthew 10:42 (ESV)
42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you,
he will by no means lose his reward.”
John 17:12-20 (HCSB)
12 While I was with them, I was protecting them by Your name that You have given Me. I guarded them and not one of them is lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture may be fulfilled.
13 Now I am coming to You, and I speak these things in the world so that they may have My joy completed in them.
14 I have given them Your word. The world hated them because they are not of the world, as I am not of the world.
15 I am not praying that You take them out of the world but that You protect them from the evil one.
16 They are not of the world, as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.
18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
19 I sanctify Myself for them, so they also may be sanctified by the truth.
20 I pray not only for these, but also for those who believe in Me through their message.
NOW DON'T YOU BELIEVE THE FATHER ANSWERED THAT PRAYER OF JESUS the CHRIST ? JESUS DID IT ALL, and Our Obedience COMES AFTER WE WERE ALREADY SAVED, because we AGAPE LOVE HIM.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Not buying your malinterpretational heretical snake-oil. There is not one person in Scripture that met the standard of sinlessness that Jesus specified. Other than Jesus.
According to you, those who possess faith in Lord Jesus Messiah (and thereby have peace with God), thereafter, because of one sinning doubt, thought or inclination, on their deathbed, after a lifetime of perfection, will be condemned and consigned to eternal hell.
In other words the sacrifice of Christ could not save this person from even one single solitary sin!
It is quite a personal achievement, this sinlessness of yours. According to Paul you don't even need Christ.
No. I’m not accusing those who follow the Lord, those that take his words to heart; Like when he said “go, and do not sin anymore”.
Those sheep hear his voice.
OSAS don’t hear it. They hear another voice that tells them something else. It tells them to not “practice a particular sin”.
One should not overlook that people claim to achieve sinlessness through the working of the Holy Spirit of God in their lives.
Still, it is 100% doubtful that any achieve such a state this side of the resurrection of all at the end of this age.