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Micaiah-imla said:
I challenged your fable, not the Bible.
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No. You accused us of being led by ungodly spirits. We believe faith in Jesus produces rebirth as the Gospel says. We rest safely in His completed work, Jesus is increasing in us and subduing the flesh because we believed. This is what most (I'd rather say all) of us OSAS folks here believe. You call our confidence in Jesus a "blinding" and "ungodly" spirit. Then you complain because you were fairly warned after slandering another believer saying they have a godless spirit, that I would bring it up to moderators if you continued so. I do not go around saying NOSAS believers have evil spirits, and I have defended NOSAS (anti-osas) believers before when they were accused or treated harshly here, because there is a standard we should have in conversation.

Philippians 1:6 is saying with certainty that Jesus will complete the good work He started in us in timely manner. This is where our faith lies.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
No

That’s security in self. Which is not security at all. In fact I believe it was Paul who called it foolish
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Yes t was Paul , saying also the bewitched in Galatians...

Galatians 1:1-5
1You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? 2This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
 
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Micaiah-imla said:
Hebrews 10:26-27.

For starters.
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You sir have no understanding of Hebrews from start to finish because if you did you know that Jesus dealt with all sins at the cross, salvation is secure in Him.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 4:3

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2

The second covenant, in ultimate fulfillment of the typology of the old is perfect: "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." Heb 10:14
 
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Sagart said:
Christians who fight tooth and nail to detract from the warning of this passage shall have the blood upon their hands of those who lose their salvation because they were told the warning did not apply to them and they got careless as a result.
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I don't need a "book" post written to tell me anything about the "meaning" of God's gift of salvation and how it works? There will be consequences for those who preach false doctrine against the Work of God unto salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”

2 Corinthians 5:21 “For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”

Acts 16:30-31 “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
 
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Jackierose, her name is Dottie and I am waiting to see when she "bites" you really hard. You may change your tune about how the "rest of us" treat her. But, hey, you control your behavior and the rest of us will trudge along with our own.
 
SoulWeaver said:
Jesus is increasing in us and subduing the flesh
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This is a grave error.

Jesus does not subdue the flesh. That’s YOUR job to do.

Romans 8:13
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

What I quoted you saying is a prime example of what your belief produces; thinking contrary to sound doctrine.
 
SoulWeaver said:
You call our confidence in Jesus a "blinding" and "ungodly" spirit
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I do not believe that you have confidence in Jesus of the Bible. If you did, you wouldn’t believe in OSAS. Jesus never taught OSAS, not even in any of his parables. You have confidence in another gospel; it called Once Saved Always Saved.

Jesus taught, once you start in the faith not to look back or you will not be fit for the kingdom of God.

How else would you describe a person who ignores the word of God?

Willfully ignorant?

Deceived?

Blind?

And if so, by what means has this happened?

Examine yourself and test your belief, if you are still able to do so.
 
Micaiah-imla said:
This is a grave error.

Jesus does not subdue the flesh. That’s YOUR job to do.

Romans 8:13
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

What I quoted you saying is a prime example of what your belief produces; thinking contrary to sound doctrine.
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I must decrease and Jesus must increase, with the goal of self being fully crucified, "it is no longer I but Jesus lives in me". If it is "no longer I" tell us who is at work?

Romans 8:13
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
There, fixed it for you :)
 
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