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azamzimtoti said:
This is not the place for discussing "the end" - you can't even get the gospel right. What I would post would fly right over your head as do all the posts made against your feeble theology.
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Exactly.what one gets when they worship the Anglican version of the bible........it is pure idiocy to say the disciple, apostles preached a different gospel of salvation then Paul........and some of the drivel being peddled by these two religionists is hilarious if not so tragically false!
 
dcontroversal said:
And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
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And yet even shortly after the resurrection Peter thought the empty tomb was an idle tale. He wondered within himself what had come to pass. Yet you say he preached the d,b,r before the cross.

11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
 
John146 said:
And yet even shortly after the resurrection Peter thought the empty tomb was an idle tale. He wondered within himself what had come to pass. Yet you say he preached the d,b,r before the cross.

11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
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I hear the barking of a religionist peddling fallacy........and you can forget it.....there is one gospel of SALVATION and it has been proclaimed from Genesis 3:15 to the last angel flying through the midst of Heaven saying fear God and give him the glory pal!

Given in picture, type, shadow, direct verbiage, words, paintings of scripture and on and on and on....and like MOST, if not all religionists, you think you have a tale to tell and some bright idea that makes you look like you know what you are talking about and only those with no knowledge stare into your message like a bug flying into an electric bug zapper......oblivious and blinded by the dazzling purple light!!!!!
 
dcontroversal said:
I hear the barking of a religionist peddling fallacy........and you can forget it.....there is one gospel of SALVATION and it has been proclaimed from Genesis 3:15 to the last angel flying through the midst of Heaven saying fear God and give him the glory pal!

Given in picture, type, shadow, direct verbiage, words, paintings of scripture and on and on and on....and like MOST, if not all religionists, you think you have a tale to tell and some bright idea that makes you look like you know what you are talking about and only those with no knowledge stare into your message like a bug flying into an electric bug zapper......oblivious and blinded by the dazzling purple light!!!!!
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I give scripture to back my thoughts, you cast insults. Hmmmm.

I’m still waiting on scripture to show what exactly the disciples preached before the cross. You can post all four gospels and you will not find one verse stating they preached the d,b,r for sins. Not one verse. But a I’ll wait.
 
John146 said:
And yet even shortly after the resurrection Peter thought the empty tomb was an idle tale. He wondered within himself what had come to pass. Yet you say he preached the d,b,r before the cross.

11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass.
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My friend, they knew...

Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

God bless brother
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
My friend, they knew...

Luk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

God bless brother
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What did they think “redeem Israel“ meant? Go back to chapter one.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

They were searching for a physical deliverance from their enemies so they could serve God without fear. They were looking for the kingdom of Israel to be restored.
 
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Rosemaryx said:
Jonah comes to mind when Jesus spoke of His death , burial and resurrection...
...xox...
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Yes, for us after the cross. But the disciples had no clue before the cross. They did not understand that Jesus was going to die and rise again. It was hid from their understanding until after it was accomplished.

Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
 
John146 said:
It does not say the gospel ”to” the circumcision, but the gospel “of” the circumcision. Big difference. Words are important. One word wrong and you mess with doctrine.
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You obviously do not understand the word of or from which comes from the same Greek word......you view makes the Gospel coming FROM the Gentiles....Of or from = source......another erroneous view.....

The Gentiles HAD no gospel....SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS......not the Gentiles!!!!

The more you talk the more laughable it gets.....!!!
 
John146 said:
Yes, for us after the cross. But the disciples had no clue before the cross. They did not understand that Jesus was going to die and rise again. It was hid from their understanding until after it was accomplished.

Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
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@Rosemaryx does not buy your drivel.....actually no one with their head on straight would either!
 
John146 said:
Yes, for us after the cross. But the disciples had no clue before the cross. They did not understand that Jesus was going to die and rise again. It was hid from their understanding until after it was accomplished.

Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
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Yeah.....Jesus must not have said the following.......

Luke

Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Mark

And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
 
John146 said:
Yes, for us after the cross. But the disciples had no clue before the cross. They did not understand that Jesus was going to die and rise again. It was hid from their understanding until after it was accomplished.

Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
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Christ had both revealed and hidden it from them for His purpose.

The truth of the resurrection could not be compromised by any action on their part.

Yet the truth was not hidden from his enemies they placed the stone in front of the tomb.

This passage only demonstrates how God worked perfectly to bring His ONE plan to fruition.
 
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John146 said:
I give scripture to back my thoughts, you cast insults. Hmmmm.

I’m still waiting on scripture to show what exactly the disciples preached before the cross. You can post all four gospels and you will not find one verse stating they preached the d,b,r for sins. Not one verse. But a I’ll wait.
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You give no scriptures in context and or you constantly pit scripture against scripture....make no mistake pal...you are not giving truth, just a religious opinion of scripture.....thank God I do not sit under you......wow!
 
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dcontroversal said:
Yeah.....Jesus must not have said the following.......

Luke

Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Mark

And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
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Lol, you leave out, And they understood none of these sayings because it was hid from them. Try again. Come on, surely you can find one verse where the disciples were preaching the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for sins before the cross. That’s the gospel that saves. Just one?
 
EleventhHour said:
Christ had both revealed and hidden it from them for His purpose.

The truth of the resurrection could not be compromised by any action on their part.

Yet the truth was not hidden from his enemies they placed the stone in front of the tomb.

This passage only demonstrates how God worked perfectly to bring His ONE plan to fruition.
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He is as bad as the workers for, Cainologists and salvation losers....the fact he denies the gospel was proclaimed during the Ministry Of Christ and by the disciples/Apostles reeks of pure ignorance of the scriptures......rather sickening to be honest....!!
 
EleventhHour said:
Christ had both revealed and hidden it from them for His purpose.

The truth of the resurrection could not be compromised by any action on their part.

Yet the truth was not hidden from his enemies they placed the stone in front of the tomb.

This passage only demonstrates how God worked perfectly to bring His ONE plan to fruition.
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The question at hand is, what were the words, the message the disciples preached before the cross? It obviously was not how Christ died or is going to die for our sins. “Trust in Jesus. He’s going to die on the cross and be resurrected the third day for our sins.”
 
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