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No, I didn't make up another meaning for 'justify'.
From Vine's:
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
101 Verb Strong's Number: g1344 Greek: dikaioo
Justification, Justifier, Justify:
primarily, "to deem to be right," signifies, in the NT,
(a) "to show to be right or righteous;" in the Passive Voice, to be justified, Mat 11:19; Luk 7:35; Rom 3:4; 1Ti 3:16;
(b) "to declare to be righteous, to pronounce righteous,"
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1344&t=KJV
Here are two Biblical examples of justified meaning 'to show to be right or righteous':
"...wisdom is justified of her children." - Matthew 11:19
"29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?” - Luke 10:29
We know that James is using this definition of 'justified' in James 2:24 because if he was using the other definition of justified he'd be saying works make you righteous, which we all know is not Biblical at all:
"24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." - James 2:24
The verse is only Biblically accurate if justified means 'to show one to be righteous'. Works justify you in that they show you to be righteous, not make you to be righteous, just as wisdom is shown to be right(eous) by what it bears, and how the Lawyer was trying to show himself to be righteous by what he said, not make himself righteous by what he said (that doesn't even make sense).
From Vine's:
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words
101 Verb Strong's Number: g1344 Greek: dikaioo
Justification, Justifier, Justify:
primarily, "to deem to be right," signifies, in the NT,
(a) "to show to be right or righteous;" in the Passive Voice, to be justified, Mat 11:19; Luk 7:35; Rom 3:4; 1Ti 3:16;
(b) "to declare to be righteous, to pronounce righteous,"
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1344&t=KJV
Here are two Biblical examples of justified meaning 'to show to be right or righteous':
"...wisdom is justified of her children." - Matthew 11:19
"29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?” - Luke 10:29
We know that James is using this definition of 'justified' in James 2:24 because if he was using the other definition of justified he'd be saying works make you righteous, which we all know is not Biblical at all:
"24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." - James 2:24
The verse is only Biblically accurate if justified means 'to show one to be righteous'. Works justify you in that they show you to be righteous, not make you to be righteous, just as wisdom is shown to be right(eous) by what it bears, and how the Lawyer was trying to show himself to be righteous by what he said, not make himself righteous by what he said (that doesn't even make sense).
I did not say that OSAS teachers teach those things.
I said that the doctrine is capable of producing those type of believers.
And I have witnessed those type of believers in the church myself; I speak from experience, not assumption.
You probably walk in OSAS in an upright manner; others do not and their battle with sin is harder because of OSAS.
I said that the doctrine is capable of producing those type of believers.
And I have witnessed those type of believers in the church myself; I speak from experience, not assumption.
You probably walk in OSAS in an upright manner; others do not and their battle with sin is harder because of OSAS.
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Or you understand the intended audience, the twelve tribes scattered abroad.
Who are we to justify ourselves to? Lost men? Other believers? No one was upon that mount to see Abraham but God. His work of obedience justified him before the Lord.
Genesis 22: 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Who are we to justify ourselves to? Lost men? Other believers? No one was upon that mount to see Abraham but God. His work of obedience justified him before the Lord.
Genesis 22: 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Jesus cares who I consider a brother or not, that's who:
"17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector." - Matthew 18:17
So does Paul:
"11But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
12What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside (the church)?" - 1 Corinthians 5:11-12
"17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, regard him as you would a pagan or a tax collector." - Matthew 18:17
So does Paul:
"11But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
12What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside (the church)?" - 1 Corinthians 5:11-12
This passage applies to unbelievers, not to believers who have had their sins taken away. What you quoted is from Isaiah 64:6. If you read further to the next verse (7) you understand that the righteousnesses of those that do not call on His name are as filthy rags. You need to grow in the scriptures my friend. This is an elementary fact.
Look at what the scripture says to the true believers:
Romans 6:13 KJVS
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Do you think Paul is encouraging us to yield our members as instruments of righteousness to produce filthy rags?
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Look at what the scripture says to the true believers:
Romans 6:13 KJVS
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Do you think Paul is encouraging us to yield our members as instruments of righteousness to produce filthy rags?
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
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You see, we are not to judge whether or not this one is a brother, rather if they are called a brother, have nothing to do with him. He may be a brother caught up in a sinful lifestyle.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
You said I made up a second meaning of 'justified'.
I showed you I did not.
Well, as I've shown in post #135,354 above it comes in handy for determining if you get to stay in the church or whether we should turn you over to satan and have nothing to do with you. Claiming to be a brother don't cut it. How you act, that's what shows if you're a true believer or not:
"11But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat." - 1 Corinthians 5:11
We are commanded to show 'faith alone' people (as James means that) the door.
As far as your 'twelve tribes' doctrine, we know James is not talking about being made righteous by works because it's impossible to be justified by works. How many works does it take to be justified by works? You know the answer (at least you should). ALL OF THEM:
"10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." - James 2:10
No one can be justified by works because no one can do all right things all the time. Justification (being made righteous) has NEVER been by works and NEVER will be. It's impossible for anybody, Jew or gentile, to do, now, in the past, or in the future.
I showed you I did not.
Well, as I've shown in post #135,354 above it comes in handy for determining if you get to stay in the church or whether we should turn you over to satan and have nothing to do with you. Claiming to be a brother don't cut it. How you act, that's what shows if you're a true believer or not:
"11But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat." - 1 Corinthians 5:11
We are commanded to show 'faith alone' people (as James means that) the door.
As far as your 'twelve tribes' doctrine, we know James is not talking about being made righteous by works because it's impossible to be justified by works. How many works does it take to be justified by works? You know the answer (at least you should). ALL OF THEM:
"10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." - James 2:10
No one can be justified by works because no one can do all right things all the time. Justification (being made righteous) has NEVER been by works and NEVER will be. It's impossible for anybody, Jew or gentile, to do, now, in the past, or in the future.
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