Sure it is. It is God’s preservation of His Holy words. You quote from a perverted new version. Satan has perverted the word since the beginning.
Not By Works
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Sure it is. It is God’s preservation of His Holy words. You quote from a perverted new version. Satan has perverted the word since the beginning.
Justification ('making' one righteous, as opposed to 'showing' one to be righteous) will NEVER be by merit of works. Never has been, never will be.
I reference more than one translation/interpretation of the scriptures.
When there is apparent conflict between the various translations, or something isn't clear, I head for the Young's Literal Translation for more clarity. I found you learn the most by using more than one translation.
Meanwhile, justification, as in 'showing' one to be righteous, is by works.
This simple explanation of the differences between James' and Paul's 'justification' makes your doctrine unnecessary.
If the person who cooked up your doctrine realized this he wouldn't have had to go down the erroneous trail he did.
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Johns view of what happens in the tribulatin is in the minority when it comes to dispensational thinking.
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By grace through faith in God
As has always been the case.
Abraham was not saved by obedience. He was declared righteous before he did one work.
What happens to one of those tribulation saints if they fall away and take the mark under extreme circumstances? Let me guess, they were never really a saint to begin with. That’s hogwash. That’s Hebrews 6:4-6.
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Yet from the time babylon overtook them, Until the temple was rebuilt. No sacrifice was given.
Poor Daniel and the other men of God in that time, Had no means of forgiveness of sin.
Hebrews says the sacrifice of bull and goat NEVER took away sin. David, When talking about his own repentance about his adulterous affair and murder. claimed sacrifice and burnt offering you did not desire..
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Paul said in galations righteousness could never come from the law
What bible are you reading?
Amen! Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified (accounted as righteous) by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.”
First off, Abraham did not have the salvation we enjoy. If he did, he would have been present with the Lord upon death. Abraham was not made a new creature in Christ, sealed for the day of redemption, redeemed by the blood of Jesus, made a partaker in Christ, etc.
When was Abraham justified? Use scripture please.
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So eternal life is not eternal?
Remember, Christ died for their sins too.. Or did he lie?
You claim the OT believers could not be born of Christ because Christ had not died yet,
now you say, Even after Christ died, they can not be born in Christ.
That sort of defeats your first argument does it not?
Yep, it could temporarily forgive the sinner. That’s why they had to continually offer them. The priests were busy men.
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I am amazed at those who still can not resolve romans 4 and James 2 and show how they do not contradict each other. and make them flow as all scriptur flows. Without having to add things which are not found in scripture.
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God said Abraham was made righteous in gen 15
I will take God at his word. And not your twist at what God said about abraham.
He was not saved by the law. Or by any law..
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the sacrifice of bull and goat can NEVER take away sin
The term never proves you wrong.
Its like the term eternal.
For some reason. it has people confused. because they can not understand what those words mean.
Once again, The sacrificial system was not in play for MUCH of Israels history. Because the temple lay in ruin
Your condemning them all to hell.. Way to go there
God’s righteousness is through the faith of Christ. This righteousness was not available to those OT saints.
Romans 3
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.