Not By Works

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VCO said:
That is like flogging a dead horse. It has been my experience that People who SCREAM the loudest, opposing OSAS doctrines, NOT ONLY WILL NOT TELL US THE DENOMINATION OR TYPE OF CHURCH where they worship, BUT have NO Correct IDEA about what we TEACH and BELIEVE, and insist on telling LIES about our Doctrine, such as OSAS teaches it is okay to SIN all you want, which is a total LIE.
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I totally agree my friend.
All they do is make a general assumption on what they consider OSAS to mean, which basically is "we can sin all we want, sit on the sofa, do nothing, not interested in growing and wanting to be like Jesus"

They then apply it to everyone who believes in OSAS.

I addressed this in a post yesterday yet it was ignored.

It really makes my blood boil and gets my heckels up.

Sickening and dishonest.
They will stand before Jesus and answer for the judgement call they made, not generally but specifically.
 
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BillG said:
All they do is make a general assumption on what they consider OSAS to mean, which basically is "we can sin all we want, sit on the sofa, do nothing, not interested in growing and wanting to be like Jesus"

They then apply it to everyone who believes in OSAS.
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Did you not read my post?
There is the 'old' osas, and there is the 'new' osas.
And what is truly amazing is the 'new' osas is so completely contrary to the 'old', but all the 'old' osas posters here will hardly lift a finger to call it out.
 
BillG said:
Sickening and dishonest.
They will stand before Jesus and answer for the judgement call they made, not generally but specifically.
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I believe in Christ for the forgiveness of sin.
I am born again.
So, according to osas that can't happen.
Your threat is meaningless in osas.
Did you forget?
 
Judges1318 said:
I believe in Christ for the forgiveness of sin.
I am born again.
So, according to osas that can't happen.
Your threat is meaningless in osas.
Did you forget?
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You will stand before Jesus and every word and works will be tested.
I'm sure you know that.
It's not a threat it's the reality.
 
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BillG said:
You will stand before Jesus and every word and works will be tested.
I'm sure you know that.
It's not a threat it's the reality.
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Yes, my work will be tested.
That's why I hope you all make it through the coming fires of Judgement so my work in and among you brings me reward.

As far as my sins, as long as I keep believing and trusting in Christ for the forgiveness of sin my sins are covered by the blood and will not ever be brought up against me. But if I show contempt and disdain for Christ's forgiveness, that is when my sins will visit me at the Judgement.
 
Judges1318 said:
I believe in Christ for the forgiveness of sin.
I am born again.
So, according to osas that can't happen.
Your threat is meaningless in osas.
Did you forget?
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Not sure what you mean here.
All sins were paid for on the cross.
It's only through Christ that the forgiveness is appropriated to us through faith in him.

The gospel

Romans 10:8-12
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.

Not baby milk but the foundation of our faith.

If genuine per the verses then it will follow through.

FYI, I refused to baptise someone because when I quoted the verses above and asked them if they believe that they said no, I asked them would you be willing to do so genuinely, they said no.

So no point baptising them.
 
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Judges1318 said:
Yes, my work will be tested.
That's why I hope you all make it through the coming fires of Judgement so my work in and among you brings me reward.

As far as my sins, as long as I keep believing and trusting in Christ for the forgiveness of sin my sins are covered by the blood and will not ever be brought up against me. But if I show contempt and disdain for Christ's forgiveness, that is when my sins will visit me at the Judgement.
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Why were you surprised at my post?

I didn't mention sin
 
Judges1318 said:
That's because that's what the Bible calls it.
Did you not read my post???
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Those who drink the "milk" at the last hour, will be first...and rightly so.

JESUS is the FOUNDATION and the HEAD.

You referred to 1 John 2...you should read 2 John 1 along with 1 John 2
 
Judges1318 said:
Yes, my work will be tested.
That's why I hope you all make it through the coming fires of Judgement so my work in and among you brings me reward.

As far as my sins, as long as I keep believing and trusting in Christ for the forgiveness of sin my sins are covered by the blood and will not ever be brought up against me. But if I show contempt and disdain for Christ's forgiveness, that is when my sins will visit me at the Judgement.
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According to the verses we will all make it through.
The works will be tested and if it's wood, hay and strubble we will be saved through the fire.

If that's the case why is it the case?
 
Judges1318 said:
I believe in Christ for the forgiveness of sin.
I am born again.
So, according to osas that can't happen.
Your threat is meaningless in osas.
Did you forget?
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This is what @PennEd stated

Why can't you understand that him being forgiven didn't make him a child of God?

We are not born again because we are forgiven. We are born again because we have faith and confession in Jesus Christ's, God in the flesh, atoning Sacrifice and belief in His resurrection.

Also, the whole point of this PARABLE is for Jesus to explain to us that ANYTHING ANYBODY has done to us is dust on the scales in comparison to what HE paid for what WE did.
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This is what I wrote.. pretty much the same thing.


Asking for forgiveness of sins does not save.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:8-9

We are forgiven because the outstanding debt has been paid/forgiven.
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You should apologize.
 
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