Not By Works
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I’ll see if I can download a photo of my boy 
Me too.
That's called 'having faith'.
But so many are sure what you describe is the works gospel.
Man this is one load of twisted logic, you have the free gift being a conditional gift.
That's like a dad taking back his kids birthday bike for falling to take the garbage out one day.
What did the servant give or pay in return for the debt being forgiven?
Nothing. It was free.
What did the Master end up doing with the free gift he had given?
He took it back.
It was free, and it was taken back.
That's what the passage says.
You're the one applying your preferred logic to what God says is a fact.
The free gift was revoked.
Osas says that's impossible, but that's what the passage teaches, nonetheless.
It's not right for you to change Biblical fact to suit your preferred outcome.
...or, that it is 'beyond comprehension' (or something like that).
You don't even see why that's my screen name, do you?
Well, right off I don't remember any instruction in righteous living and the discerning of good from evil behavior in the passage so it is not a 'meat' passage.
The debt parable has nothing to do with gifts - Posthuman has done a very good job of explaining the context and refuting your take on it.
You are just clinging to a life boat that exists only in your misinterpretation. Your problem is you can't admit you are wrong and will twist any and all scripture to support your bogus arguments.
Don't fool yaself we got that figured out.
Meat.
Because it's about righteous behavior--the thing that actually counts and matters in Christianity:
"The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." - Galatians 5:6
"what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule" - Galatians 6:15-16
Anything about salvation itself is milk.
Perhaps a better way to put it is, "years later you finally learned to NOT fornicate."
Sanctification is a process.
You know that, right?
"8For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure" - 2 Peter 1:8
I'm just going by what the passage says.
The man really was forgiven, for free.
That forgiveness was taken back.
And Jesus said that's how it is in the kingdom, and what His Father will do to each of us in those same circumstances.
You are the one changing it up to make it 'not really' mean the free gift of forgiveness was really given and then taken back.
The fact that the servant received it in a less than noble heart does not diminish the plain fact that he really was forgiven the debt, and that the master reinstated it.
You're insisting I ignore what the scripture says.
I'm not going to do that.
That's dishonest.
I think it's clear that you're the one clinging to the frail hope that somehow the passage 'doesn't really' mean God takes back free gifts.
Which I'm certainly not doing.
I stopped doing that years ago when I got called out on it years ago.
I now let the Bible say what it says instead of me telling it what it's supposed to say, like osas does.
No.
You got offended (again) and you can't hear a word I say now.
This is so typical of the church.
And that's exactly why I would never consider being a pastor.
The church is nutty.
I've made my own contribution to the nuttiness, but thanks to God I'm growing out of the buffoonery of the church.
One of the biggest steps I took was to just let the Bible say what it says.
Don't make it say what you want it to say or what you blindly were told it says.
Be Bereans, people!
But most of all, BE HONEST!
And stop being offended!
Stop being snowflakes.
For once consider what others have to say and park your pre-programmed dogma at the curb.
OH, OH! 6660, is anybody, superstitious ? ? ?
I think Judges1318, is! TOO LATE, YOU ALREADY POSTED ON THIS PAGE, oh my, LOOK OUT NOW?
To explain why I AM NOT, IT IS THE I.D. of a MAN. IT SAYS SO!
Revelation 13:15-18 (HCSB)
15 He was permitted to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
16 And he requires everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark: the beast’s name or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom: The one who has understanding must calculate the number of the beast, because it is the number of a man. His number is 666.
We live in a digital AGE, and the Antichrist will make it MANDATORY or ELSE YOU WILL BE BEHEADED.
The Likely Scenario, was designed by Henry Kissinger just ahead of the year 2000, when they thought the year 2000, would CRASH every single COMPUTER. So he was Hired to design an emergency, where every currency in the World, could be switch of to a fully emergency plan, to HANDLE ALL THE WORLD'S bank accounts. All Microchips are currently on a 15 digit system, they would have to add a three numbers to the current Microchip number. And then every individual would have a separate unique NUMBER, to serve as his Bank Account number.
The First six would be the Country and City in which we LIVE.
The Second six would be geographical location of that individual's front door.
The Third six would be the N.W.O. I.D. of the individual's living at that ADDRESS.
It would work, and ONE SUPER COMPUTER Could handle the Entire Worlds banking transactions.
And then we would have that Cashless Society, implemented by the Antichrist, himself.
I think Judges1318, is! TOO LATE, YOU ALREADY POSTED ON THIS PAGE, oh my, LOOK OUT NOW?
To explain why I AM NOT, IT IS THE I.D. of a MAN. IT SAYS SO!
Revelation 13:15-18 (HCSB)
15 He was permitted to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
16 And he requires everyone—small and great, rich and poor, free and slave—to be given a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark: the beast’s name or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom: The one who has understanding must calculate the number of the beast, because it is the number of a man. His number is 666.
We live in a digital AGE, and the Antichrist will make it MANDATORY or ELSE YOU WILL BE BEHEADED.
The Likely Scenario, was designed by Henry Kissinger just ahead of the year 2000, when they thought the year 2000, would CRASH every single COMPUTER. So he was Hired to design an emergency, where every currency in the World, could be switch of to a fully emergency plan, to HANDLE ALL THE WORLD'S bank accounts. All Microchips are currently on a 15 digit system, they would have to add a three numbers to the current Microchip number. And then every individual would have a separate unique NUMBER, to serve as his Bank Account number.
The First six would be the Country and City in which we LIVE.
The Second six would be geographical location of that individual's front door.
The Third six would be the N.W.O. I.D. of the individual's living at that ADDRESS.
It would work, and ONE SUPER COMPUTER Could handle the Entire Worlds banking transactions.
And then we would have that Cashless Society, implemented by the Antichrist, himself.
Not offended at all.
I'm a Berean.
I am always honest, but you by inference say I'm not.
You got offended again and can't hear a word I say either.
That's so typical of you.
I know what the Bible says and I spent a long time researching what I was taught to the reality of it.
As for you "Don't make it at what you want it or what you blindly were told it says"
BE HONEST, what church do you attend?
You take your own advice on board.
You are are happy to dish it out but not willing to listen.
You got offended when I said John 5:24 was milk knowledge.
And I showed you where the Bible says it's milk knowledge.
So, then, you now see John 5:24 really is milk knowledge, right?
I listen to what everybody says.
I do not get offended when you or anybody else does not agree with me.
But you people get angry and offended when someone doesn't agree with your precious osas doctrine.
And offended when you're told to grow up into that which really matters in the faith.
The Fruits of the Spirit