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EleventhHour said:
Not if you preface it with ...."this is what the evidence is telling us, and what I have learned, but you should always do your own research so you can support your view with understanding and facts."

Indoctrination is about the person accepting and believing what they have been told... everyone is responsible for what they choose to accept and what they do not.
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I suppose I must concede, here. I am somewhat thwarted, due to the definition.
 
Tellion said:
If we go to high school, attend a science course, they will teach you evolution. If you try to question it, you will be laughed out. Can you safely be taught without question, the tenants of evolution, without being forced to agree with them?
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I apologize for interfering in your conversation but I must share what I once read.

Regarding evolution, why would anything want to evolve into a worm? Case closed.
 
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OneOfHis said:
I did openly disagree with evolution but was also in unbelief at that age.😅 (i would bounce between my own theories and being agnostic unless i thought claiming christianity would help my cause at the time)

Didn't make it out of middleschool and started working young.

I think you can be shown what someone else believes, understand it but reject it as well.


You can start every answer with "Supposedly"🤣
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EleventhHour said:
Not if you preface it with ...."this is what the evidence is telling us, and what I have learned, but you should always do your own research so you can support your view with understanding and facts."

Indoctrination is about the person accepting and believing what they have been told... everyone is responsible for what they choose to accept and what they do not.
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Yes I suspect this person is a deceiver, and the first person he deceived, was himself.

2 Timothy 3:13 (NJB)
13 while these wicked impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving others, and themselves deceived.


Notice, he did not even try to explain those Born Again questions I asked.
 
VCO said:
Yes I suspect this person is a deceiver, and the first person he deceived, was himself.

2 Timothy 3:13 (NJB)
13 while these wicked impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving others, and themselves deceived.


Notice, he did not even try to explain those Born Again questions I asked.
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Brother, I think this man is at work and very busy.. ( I am as well) and only has replied short answers since his lunch break.


If I can be a character witness, I believe he has shown to be honest and when he initially disagreed on semantics, he accepted the modern definition was slightly different than what he had thought it to be.


I love you bro and respect you as my elder brother in Christ but would suggest to give it some time and continue the conversation.
 
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OneOfHis said:
Brother, I think this man is at work and very busy.. ( I am as well) and only has replied short answers since his lunch break.


If I can be a character witness, I believe he has shown to be honest and when he initially disagreed on semantics, he accepted the modern definition was slightly different than what he had thought it to be.


I love you bro and respect you as my elder brother in Christ but would suggest to give it some time and continue the conversation.
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I appreciate your defense, and I am not trying to be rude with our brother, but the truth is, once I say "you're not listening/hearing me," so many times, in so many different ways, there is no longer anything positive I can add to the conversation.
 
Lightskin said:
I apologize for interfering in your conversation but I must share what I once read.

Regarding evolution, why would anything want to evolve into a worm? Case closed.
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My father-in-law has a ministry with a major focus on the historical authenticity of Genesis. Some of the most amazing information has come from his devotion to this ministry. A lot of good scientists working on this too.
 
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Tellion said:
My father-in-law has a ministry with a major focus on the historical authenticity of Genesis. Some of the most amazing information has come from his devotion to this ministry. A lot of good scientists working on this too.
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Tell us More?
 
OneOfHis said:
I did openly disagree with evolution but was also in unbelief at that age.😅 (i would bounce between my own theories and being agnostic unless i thought claiming christianity would help my cause at the time)

Didn't make it out of middleschool and started working young.

I think you can be shown what someone else believes, understand it but reject it as well.


You can start every answer with "Supposedly"🤣
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At least you aren't saying "supposably"....
 
VCO said:
Tell us More?
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Hesitantly allowing this. What would you like to know? I have a vague understanding of some of the scientific stuff, nothing I could stand toe to toe with Nye on, but it's still substantial. Or would you like source material?
 
Tellion said:
I appreciate your defense, and I am not trying to be rude with our brother, but the truth is, once I say "you're not listening/hearing me," so many times, in so many different ways, there is no longer anything positive I can add to the conversation.
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I have clashed with everyone here... unfortunately for them... my head was probably the hardest....

But God is great and used many here including vco to deliver me from a false doctrine I had believed.... (sinless perfection - revolving door salvation) and softened my heart...


I am just grateful for all those here who give God the glory and credit for our salvation and hope and wisdom and any good thing....


You to me, despite just recently meeting strike me as someone who also when faced with judgement wouldn't point to "many wonderful works" but Jesus as your only hope...

Vco is the same😁

I wouldn't judge ya for not wanting a back and forth after a clash.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I

the work of God we believe

believe is not a work or condition one can do to earn salvation

it is just receiving the gift God offers through his work.
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Not sure what your point is to me....everything I said was correct and biblical...point being that NO one is saved without believing and that salvation is conditional upon belief into the work of Christ....and You know i have said 100 times that the work of the Father is to believe on the SON.....not sure why you said what you said to me....
 
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Tellion said:
I don't want to call anybody out here, but I know of two that are the same. I'm not mad, they can't help who they remember. I don't feel it's a personal attack, I'm just a sentimentalist.
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I may slightly remember your face, but not sure if we have engaged each other since I have been here which is 6 years and a few months.....and for sure no offence meant if we have engaged each other and I don't remember you HAHA....I have so much on my plate and travel to AU and back to the US about 5 times a year, plus engage so many people world wide that I lose track HAHA
 
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mailmandan said:
He seems to believe that we are "initially" saved through faith in Christ, but after that, it's up to US to do the rest, as if "remaining saved" is accomplished through a self preservation maintenance program.
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That is exactly the drivel he peddles.....and it is false and = a self saving works based false salvation
 
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dcontroversal said:
I may slightly remember your face, but not sure if we have engaged each other since I have been here which is 6 years and a few months.....and for sure no offence meant if we have engaged each other and I don't remember you HAHA....I have so much on my plate and travel to AU and back to the US about 5 times a year, plus engage so many people world wide that I lose track HAHA
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Can't say we have engaged. I'm relatively new to the forums, spent a lot of my time in chat.
 
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mailmandan said:
So you get the broken record? :LOL:
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I was thinking the following accurately represents what he peddles...

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