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EleventhHour said:
I am actually not at all intimidating, never overbearing and very a easy going person, so to liken me to your boss is probably not correct.... what I am trying to understand is why you cannot, or will not explain salvation :unsure:.... you are obviously familiar with the bible.
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Just to say, and I feel like I have said it a million times already, which is that I do believe in eternal salvation provided we live a life that pleases God, and we remain faithful to the end.

Do you want to know about salvation?
 
EleventhHour said:
This is such a strange idea really, God knows the beginning and the end, why would God let someone live until they fell away, why not take them the day before, do they have to prove their worth to God?

So one day can terminate years of devotion in your view?

Is that not earning salvation?

Still waiting btw.......
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Just remain faithful. If you are sincere, it won't be a problem.
 
PS said:
That sounds like you believe in predestination, whereas I believe Salvation is for all.
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I don't fully understand predestination but I believe that salvation is for all.

I also believe that God knows who will accept and place their faith in Jesus for salvation.

We don't which I why we should always be diligent not to write people off based on our perception of them. Always willing to sow and allow God to reap.
 
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BillG said:
I don't fully understand predestination but I believe that salvation is for all.

I also believe that God knows who will accept and place their faith in Jesus for salvation.

We don't which I why we should always be diligent not to write people off based on our perception of them. Always willing to sow and allow God to reap.
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Yes to the top two, and I will consider myself told off on the third. Cheers.
 
EleventhHour said:
Yes ... been waiting patiently I might add.
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From my notes:
To be saved we need to confess with our mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. That he is the Son of God, that God abides in him he in God and that he is God in the flesh, Lord of our life and our Saviour to whom every knee should bow, and that we shall follow him all the days of our life and keep his commandments.

And the sources are:-
1 John 4:15; 1Jn 4:2; 1Jn 5:1; Mat 10:32; Rom 10:9; Php 2:11.

1 John 4:15 - Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

1Jn 4:2 KJV (2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jn 5:1 KJV (1) Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

Mat 10:32 KJV (32) Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Rom 10:9 KJV (9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Php 2:11 KJV (11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
PS said:
Just to say, and I feel like I have said it a million times already, which is that I do believe in eternal salvation provided we live a life that pleases God, and we remain faithful to the end.

Do you want to know about salvation?
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That’s conditional life not eternal life

no matter how you slice it

your saying eternal life is based on YOU not God
 
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EleventhHour said:
This is such a strange idea really, God knows the beginning and the end, why would God let someone live until they fell away, why not take them the day before, do they have to prove their worth to God?

So one day can terminate years of devotion in your view?

Is that not earning salvation?

Still waiting btw.......
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I truly do not understand why the Holy Spirit would convict a person of the sin of unbelief in Jesus and a person who repents of that a places their faith and trust in Jesus to then at some point reject them.

We know God knows who will come to him before they were born.
It seems very cruel indeed to allow that to happen, to adopt them then unadopt them.

If that were true then I'm not sure that he is who he says he is.
But let's assume that is the case. What a miserable experience the walk with him would be.

I should know I walked it.
 
@PS

I have read over a few of your posts where you have said that God can remove grace from a person and transfer it to someone else.

If I have read that correctly it confuses me.

I can't see how grace can be transferred.
It's available for all and does not need to be transferred.

As you say salvation is available for all but the gift of salvation is not withdrawn and transferred.

It's sounds a bit like pass the parcel to me
 
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BillG said:
@PS

I have read over a few of your posts where you have said that God can remove grace from a person and transfer it to someone else.

If I have read that correctly it confuses me.

I can't see how grace can be transferred.
It's available for all and does not need to be transferred.

As you say salvation is available for all but the gift of salvation is not withdrawn and transferred.

It's sounds a bit like pass the parcel to me
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Grace is given to the believer, right. But suppose that person turns to Buddhism lets say, does that person still have the grace of Jesus Christ?
 
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