Ooh no."He is England"..oh my...maybe time for a break...lol
If he is close enough then maybe we can take our dogs for walkies.
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If he is close enough then maybe we can take our dogs for walkies.
The site linked was the best resource for the studies resource. That's why I copied and pasted those and linked the source, because it's just polite and typically forum etiquette to give the resource source when it is not one's original material.I am a little confused because your link actually supports colloidal silver as an effective treatment method for a variety of illnesses and conditions?
And the list of articles the same?
Utopia silver
I am thinking its going to be no soup or bread for you!
I'd hoped the list of studies would not be confusing, but you, you just had to go through the site link didn't you. Mmmm hmmmm, just so you can have all the soup to yerself? Hmmm?
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Why ? Because the Christian in the grace of God knows there is not one iota of scripture wherein in God's own words, He tells us He will make our eternal Salvation forfeit under certain conditions.
What part of , God's gifts and Salvation are irrevocable, is not clear in that regard? Irrevocable.
Jesus said, concerning those of us who are saved, no one will take us from His hand. No one. Not even we ourselves can remove ourselves from His hand.
Imagine, if you will, what would have to occur for God to make forfeit our Salvation. Everything that occurred in our rebirth would have to be reversed so as to send us back to the state of dead in our sins. And God would have to take those sins at our repentance that He said He shall remember no more, bring them back front and center and re-charge them to our account.
Which would mean Jesus' death on the cross was also forfeit as pertains to His sacrifice assuring for all eternity, eternal Salvation for all who believe in Him. Even if someone loses their faith, God knows the heart and that does not mean God loses faith in them. They cannot undo what Salvation did do to make them a new creation. Nor has God said He would do that to them either.
Perhaps , if you truly do believe what you're pushing here as your idea of what it means to be in Christ, you might consider that blasphemy, as you are committing when you dispute God's own words concerning the free gift, and by the way, how does someone forfeit that which is free, are absolute and eternal. Because , as we know, should know, we are also told by God in His own words that God is not a man that He should lie.
So when God said His gifts and calling unto Salvation are irrevocable, to say a free gift of irrevocable Salvation can be made forfeit, and that of course would have to pertain to God's forfeiting it from us, taking away our Salvation, which means He, as Jesus, was false, lied, when He said, no one will take us from Him, and that Salvation that we were assured of in Him.
Therefore, I would offer you a suggestion and a question for your consideration. Not one that I would expect you to answer before the public in this forum.
Take the time to read the Gospel books.
And then ask yourself after you do this, even go to sites and read commentary on each one if you need assistance to process in detail the full meaning of Jesus' parables concerning our Salvation, why would you insist those who are in Christ can be thrown out by God's own decree? Or, our desire to have eternal Salvation revoked.
Why would anyone, who knows the Gospel and the fate of those who die in their sins, consciously decide, nah, I think I'd rather die damned. So I'll have this eternal security and Salvation Jesus died to give me taken away, because that's what I want.
Why are you here trying to tell Christians we are not actually secure in our eternal, keyword there; eternal, Salvation? What leads you to think that way? Whatever it is, in the name of Christ and from the love of He who died to save you and all the world, cast that out of you, repent, and find peace. Because what you are intending here is folly. You will not lead a single Christian to believe what you say.
The Creator of all things spoke first and is not a man that He would lie to us.
God's mercies surround you. God's light lead you home.
Peace.
And as I have said prior, there are a great many pages in BDF that prove we do believe we are able to disagree. Because as is evident, not everyone believes God's word is an emphatic matter of a trust Jesus died to secure for those who believe.
Your remarks seem to suggest you are saying, we do not have the room, or the right, to disagree with the emphatic assertions made by scripture. While reality, I would suggest in any Christian discussion forum you may seek out on the Net, proves otherwise.
In fact, literally, we have but to seek out a search engine and find the headlines that report to us those Denominations in just the last two years, just one year if we want to make it quick, that have indeed not just disagreed with the emphatic assertion made by the scriptures concerning immoral sins, but have augmented their Denominational statement of faith so as to decree the sexually immoral are righteously entitled not just to enter the church, which all people should be welcome so that's not the real issue, but that those same persons are also entitled to be married in that church, and even are allowed to serve in church offices like that of Deacon, etc... and as well as serve as Shepherds, (pastors, preachers), of that Denominations flock.
Humans are human. Be we saved or otherwise, when we accept Christ as our Savior it becomes apparent after a time by our own actions, that we have not removed from ourselves our ego, our pride, nor our personal understanding of our place in relationship to the Almighty.
Disagreeing with the emphatic assertions made by scripture isn't a luxury, it is a right. Countless one's have proven that over time that can be said to span at least two thousand years.
The thing that is absolute? Opinion of any kind, even the most emphatic, is just an opinion, it is not a law. It does not edit nor abrogate God's will and word.
I believe God's will and knowledge of those who are His are all that matter in the end.
In the meantime, humans shall be human. God knows that too.
E
EleventhHour
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Dear Whispered you have done what I did yesterday ...you misunderstood @eternally-gratefull 's post.
What did you put in my soup?
I responded to a collection of their remarks while quoting one of them. If I did misunderstand perhaps they'll correct my ignorance. I would hope so.
This was the post I quoted initially between you and EG.
EleventhHour said:
An honorable sentiment... however
salvation is not earned and neither can it be forfeited.
EG's Response:
If it can be forfeited it must’ve earned
Why is this so hard for some to understand
BTW, I'm giving up soup and turning toward stew in future. Just sayin.
E
EleventhHour
Guest
What did you put in my soup?
I responded to a collection of their remarks while quoting one of them. If I did misunderstand perhaps they'll correct my ignorance. I would hope so.
This was the post I quoted initially between you and EG.
EleventhHour said:
An honorable sentiment... however
salvation is not earned and neither can it be forfeited.
EG's Response:
If it can be forfeited it must’ve earned
Why is this so hard for some to understand
BTW, I'm giving up soup and turning toward stew in future. Just sayin.
Dear Whispered....he is stating the same as you only in the negative
"If it can be forfeited then that means it was earned."
@PS states that it cannot be earned but argues it can be forfeited..
@eternally-gratefull is showing him why that does not work.
EG absolutely agrees salvation is secure.
Stew is good too
That's because you ate too many raw fish. This thread has gone to pot, methinks.
That's good because now I can pour it over my head and maybe it will help me not write a long post to the wrong person.Dear Whispered....he is stating the same as you only in the negative
"If it can be forfeited then that means it was earned."
@PS states that it cannot be earned but argues it can be forfeited..
@eternally-gratefull is showing him why that does not work.
EG absolutely agrees salvation is secure.
Stew is good too
And it is too late to edit and write, Dear P.S. the following is actually for you. 
Well, maybe I can.
All apologies to you EG. Please forgive me. I should not have taken the back and forth between you and 11th on its face. I should have read back so as to garner the context of that post I quoted of yours in response to 11th.
Let's see. (They call me, optimist) That this works to get the right one's attention.
Dear P.S
.... the Christian in the grace of God knows there is not one iota of scripture wherein in God's own words, He tells us He will make our eternal Salvation forfeit under certain conditions.
What part of , God's gifts and Salvation are irrevocable, is not clear in that regard? Irrevocable.
Jesus said, concerning those of us who are saved, no one will take us from His hand. No one. Not even we ourselves can remove ourselves from His hand.
Imagine, if you will, what would have to occur for God to make forfeit our Salvation. Everything that occurred in our rebirth would have to be reversed so as to send us back to the state of dead in our sins. And God would have to take those sins at our repentance that He said He shall remember no more, bring them back front and center and re-charge them to our account.
Which would mean Jesus' death on the cross was also forfeit as pertains to His sacrifice assuring for all eternity, eternal Salvation for all who believe in Him. Even if someone loses their faith, God knows the heart and that does not mean God loses faith in them. They cannot undo what Salvation did do to make them a new creation. Nor has God said He would do that to them either.
Perhaps , if you truly do believe what you're pushing here as your idea of what it means to be in Christ, you might consider that blasphemy, as you are committing when you dispute God's own words concerning the free gift, and by the way, how does someone forfeit that which is free, are absolute and eternal. Because , as we know, should know, we are also told by God in His own words that God is not a man that He should lie.
So when God said His gifts and calling unto Salvation are irrevocable, to say a free gift of irrevocable Salvation can be made forfeit, and that of course would have to pertain to God's forfeiting it from us, taking away our Salvation, which means He, as Jesus, was false, lied, when He said, no one will take us from Him, and that Salvation that we were assured of in Him.
Therefore, I would offer you a suggestion and a question for your consideration. Not one that I would expect you to answer before the public in this forum.
Take the time to read the Gospel books.
And then ask yourself after you do this, even go to sites and read commentary on each one if you need assistance to process in detail the full meaning of Jesus' parables concerning our Salvation, why would you insist those who are in Christ can be thrown out by God's own decree? Or, our desire to have eternal Salvation revoked.
Why would anyone, who knows the Gospel and the fate of those who die in their sins, consciously decide, nah, I think I'd rather die damned. So I'll have this eternal security and Salvation Jesus died to give me taken away, because that's what I want.
Why are you here trying to tell Christians we are not actually secure in our eternal, keyword there; eternal, Salvation? What leads you to think that way? Whatever it is, in the name of Christ and from the love of He who died to save you and all the world, cast that out of you, repent, and find peace. Because what you are intending here is folly. You will not lead a single Christian to believe what you say.
The Creator of all things spoke first and is not a man that He would lie to us.
God's mercies surround you. God's light lead you home.
Peace.
Oh, Lord, Boston accents.
My senior year in high school opened with a new homeroom teacher from Boston. She's calling roll and we all thought we had a new student in the class named, Mack. Turns out she noted Mark Johnson absent for three days while the rest of us thought a new guy named Mack wasn't showing up to class.
