Not By Works

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Noose said:
Rom 13:
11And do this, understanding the occasion. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, for our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. 12The night is nearly over; the day has drawn near. So let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. 13Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy.14Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh.

Surprise surprise, Paul is not saying, salvation is nearer now than when we were first saved. He must not have been an OSAS proponent. To me, the first part of the highlighted is the most important, wake up from your slumber.
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You obviously do not know what you are talking about....and are oblivious to the dual aspect of salvation....ONE being the IMMEDIATE salvation of man by being born again of incorruptible seed and the LATTER being the resurrected or changed glorified body.....

You guys devalue Christ and salvation so much it makes me want to puke!!
 
Leastamongmany said:
If I were to answer your question,I would immediately be called never saved,a hypocrite,of Satan and his lies, and probably thought of by some as worse! I believe we are eternally secure IF we CONTINUE to overcome sins that easily beset us( for we still war against our own flesh) and walk in the inspired word of God and OBEY all the commandments of Jesus! When the FINAL judgements are made,then shall we see THOSE WHO PERSEVERED IN HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS unto the END!
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Here are some, that you will NEED TO WORK ON THEN, TO QUALIFY FOR SINLESSNESS by your own efforts.

James 2:10 (CSBBible)
10 For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. [No speaking evil of our President Trump if you are an American.]



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EVEN ACCIDENTALLY ONE MILE OVER THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT ORDINANCE - YOU HAVE SINNED.

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ROLLING STOP AT A STOP SIGN - YOU HAVE SINNED.

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ILLEGAL PARKING FOR ANY REASON - YOU HAVE SINNED.

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FAILURE TO PICK UP DOG POOP - YOU HAVE SINNED. AND FAILURE TO KEEP YOUR DOG ON A LEASH - YOU HAVE SINNED.

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LITTER, EVEN CIGARETTE BUTTS ARE LITTER - YOU HAVE SINNED.


NOW, THERE ARE LOTS MORE CITY, COUNTY, AND STATE ORDINANCES I COULD LIST HERE TOO!

BUT I THINK YOU GET THE POINT.

HOWEVER THE BIGGEST HURDLE YOU NEED TO GET OVER, BEFORE YOU CAN CLAIM YOU ARE SINLESS BY YOUR OWN EFFORTS IS:

Matthew 19:22-26 (HCSB)
22 When the young man heard that command, he went away grieving, because he had many possessions.
23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “I assure you: It will be hard for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven!
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”
25 When the disciples heard this, they were utterly astonished and asked, “Then who can be saved?”
26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”


You need to get over the hurdle that you have got to go through the eye of the needle, before you can claim you have earned Salvation by yourself.


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Then and only then can you claim you have succeeded where every one else has failed. You have to do that before you can claim sinlessness by your own efforts.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.

James 2:10 (CSBBible)
10 For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.
 

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Noose said:
2 Pet 1:5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith virtue; and to virtue, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control,perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love.

1 Cor 9:24Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to take the prize.25Everyone who competes in the games trains with strict discipline. They do it for a crown that is perishable, but we do it for a crown that is imperishable.
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“Make every effort”
Through prayer, meditation, reading scripture, fellowship, singing and rejoicing...all of which are not works.
 
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Noose said:
No one can loose their salvation - i mean, they are already saved/ No one can loose eternal life - i mean it is eternal.
But the claims that you are already saved and already have eternal life means nothing. This claims will turn out to be a surprise to you.
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And the fact that you are deceived will be a surprise for you.......saved and eternal life are already given, but hey....keep believing the rigmarole you are peddling.....

He that believes on the SON IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE

You obviously have no understanding of a BE verb, PRESENT TENSE and or IS HAVING...........no wonder I tell you to not even address me.....you should go start a thread....the BIBLE does not say even though it says..........!!!
 
blue_ladybug said:
I have news for you. We are STILL sinners. Christians kill, smoke, swear and whore around, amongst other things.

Love for God leads to our faith and belief in Him. I'm sorry you don't believe that, but it's true..
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Eve sinned first but sin/death entered on the account of Adam because they were one in marriage but the man had authority over the wife.

Same thing with Christ (bridegroom) and the church (bride). He (christ) fulfilled all righteousness and paid the full price of sin on the account of His bride (Church) because we are one with Him.
But the big question is, how do we become one with Christ?

A. Believing in the atoning sacrifice (faith alone)
B. Obeying His command to love one another

1 John 2:2He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 3By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments. 4If anyone says, “I know Him,” but does not keep Hiscommandments, he is a liar, and the truth is not inhim. 5But if anyone keeps His word, the love of God has been truly perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him:

John 15:10If you keep My commandments, you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and remain in His love.

Love comes on top i tell you.
 
dcontroversal said:
The above bolded is as false as it comes....and no where near being from one led by God!
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Rom 13:
10Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
11And do this, understanding the occasion. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, for our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.

I'm very sure this does not mean "our salvation is nearer now than when we were first saved"
 
Noose said:
WE ARE SAVED THROUGH MARRIAGE

Eph 5:
21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
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25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing b her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” c 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church .33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Allow me to explain.

Salvation work is from the beginning, explained at the garden of Eden. Eve sinned first (not Adam) but sin came to the world on the account of Adam and not Eve. Why? Because Adam being a man/husband, had authority over the wife, the wife was subordinate to the Husband. Them being one in marriage, God puts accountability on the higher authority and thus sin/death came through Adam and not Eve. Even though each received fleshly punishment for their respective roles, the spiritual sin was on Adam.

In the same manner, righteousness/salvation comes through marriage. Not that the church has done anything good but just like the Adam/Eve story, righteousness is imputed to them when they become one with Christ who has fulfilled all righteousness.

But how do we become one with Christ?
Believing that Christ died for your sins is not the way to become the bride, you must believe in Christ and obey His command to love one another- It is all over the scripture. Obedience is the way, not belief. If we accept that subordinate position and obey our master, then our sins have already been paid for on the cross and His righteousness is imputed on us, yet we are still not the bride until the end. We must persevere so many things in this life and hold on to the irrevocable promises, then we shall make it to the wedding and be certified as bride in the end, not now.
Anyone who counts themselves as bride now are just like the foolish brides in the bible.

You can also believe in the gospel and have absolute faith in Christ alone, but if you don't love, you are absolutely nothing.

Why have people willfully blinded themselves with this OSAS thing?
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There is so much wrong with this post.......a new cake taker here for sure.....
 
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Noose said:
Trust me, i know what i'm talking about, it is not a dilemma.
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Noose said:
Rom 13:
10Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
11And do this, understanding the occasion. The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, for our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.

I'm very sure this does not mean "our salvation is nearer now than when we were first saved"
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Like I said....you don't know what you are talking about....

In the grace you are, HAVING BEEN SAVED <---past tense....oh bright one......
 
dcontroversal said:
And the fact that you are deceived will be a surprise for you.......saved and eternal life are already given, but hey....keep believing the rigmarole you are peddling.....

He that believes on the SON IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE

You obviously have no understanding of a BE verb, PRESENT TENSE and or IS HAVING...........no wonder I tell you to not even address me.....you should go start a thread....the BIBLE does not say even though it says..........!!!
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Rom 5:9Therefore, since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from wrath through Him! 10For if, when we were enemies of God, we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through His life!
 
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