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Here, have we understood what it really means to be washed in the BLOOD of the LAMB? Oh it nothing in my hand I bring only to the cross I cling.
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Oh! precious is the flow
That makes me white as snow;
No other fount I know,
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
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For my cleansing this I see—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
For my pardon this my plea—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
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Nothing can my sin erase
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
Naught of works, ’tis all of grace—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
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This is all my hope and peace—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
This is all my righteousness—
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
YES, I thought I was Saved because of my infant baptism, and at 29 years of age, I discovered I did not know the first thing about SALVATION. Remember the Parable of the GATES, and MANY entered the Wide, Easy Gate. I now believe Everyone on BOTH of those ROADS THINK THEY ARE CHRISTIANS; and only the FEW found the right Gate. By the way, welcome back to the thread.
HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT
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Many times I’m tried and tested
As I travel day by day.
‘Oft I meet with pain and sorrow
And there’s trouble in the way.
But I have a sweet assurance
That my soul, the Lord will lead.
And in Him there is strength for every need.
Oh, His grace is sufficient for me.
And His love is abundant and free.
And what joy fills my soul,
Just to know, just to know
That His grace is sufficient for me.
When the tempter brings confusion
And I don’t know what to do,
On my knees I turn to Jesus
For He’ll always see me through.
Then despair is changed to victory.
Every doubt just melts away
And in Him there is hope for everyday.
Oh, His grace is sufficient for me.
And His love is abundant and free.
And what joy fills my soul,
Just to know, just to know
That His grace is sufficient for me.
And what joy fills my soul,
Just to know, just to know
That His grace is sufficient for me
Written by Mosie Lister; Published by Mosie Lister Songs/Southern Faith Songs
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Many times I’m tried and tested
As I travel day by day.
‘Oft I meet with pain and sorrow
And there’s trouble in the way.
But I have a sweet assurance
That my soul, the Lord will lead.
And in Him there is strength for every need.
Oh, His grace is sufficient for me.
And His love is abundant and free.
And what joy fills my soul,
Just to know, just to know
That His grace is sufficient for me.
When the tempter brings confusion
And I don’t know what to do,
On my knees I turn to Jesus
For He’ll always see me through.
Then despair is changed to victory.
Every doubt just melts away
And in Him there is hope for everyday.
Oh, His grace is sufficient for me.
And His love is abundant and free.
And what joy fills my soul,
Just to know, just to know
That His grace is sufficient for me.
And what joy fills my soul,
Just to know, just to know
That His grace is sufficient for me
Written by Mosie Lister; Published by Mosie Lister Songs/Southern Faith Songs
I have NO desire to throw them out! We must season our speech with love,this isn't done by mockery,name calling not degrading another person!
There is no better feeling of love and comfort than when Jesus is holding you. You do feel like a completely new and different person, less like a person, more like a "soul" a child of God residing in the flesh. It never goes away. The only thing that compares is when God sets the revelations of truth with in you. There is no place on this earth I would choose to go in place of those and only for a lack of a better word "trips". where He brings all the wisdom and knowledge you have been collecting and puts it together for you. I have only had that happen a few times and some marathon Bible sessions but it makes you set aside all your time for God, that is for sure. and It makes you yearn to move on, to be with the Lord, yet you know you must stay to do what you have been called to do. The waiting is the hardest part. Beautiful. I can relate to all those feelings and so we Praise the Lord God for all the love always.
Newsflash! YOU are a sinner, yesterday, today and all the tomorrows of the rest of your life. FACT.
The above statement is a statement of unbelief.
As soon as you suggest people are not acceptable to God, ever, you have just left the gospel.
The apostles were forgiven and cleansed, acceptable to the Father. It is why Jesus said this
3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
John 15
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of
impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
Eph 5
12 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with
compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Col 3
The cross is about cleansing. The cleansing turned the temple in Jerusalem to the temple in
our hearts, where the Holy Spirit can dwell. The whole reason for this shift was to make us
Gods people, pure, holy, righteous, period.
The priests had to purify themselves to enter the temple to do their duties. So likewise we
need to continually purify and walk in the way of Christ to continue to abide and be the dwelling
of the Holy Spirit.
If one believes you are a sinner till the day you die, yet have perfection and holiness, this is
gnostic belief and the concept of a upgraded immortal spirit with an evil flesh.
I am happy to acknowledge some believe this, but scripture does not support it.
Paul did not believe he was immortal or perfect and yet a sinner.
The above statement is a statement of unbelief.
As soon as you suggest people are not acceptable to God, ever, you have just left the gospel.
The apostles were forgiven and cleansed, acceptable to the Father. It is why Jesus said this
3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you.
John 15
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of
impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
Eph 5
12 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with
compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
Col 3
The cross is about cleansing. The cleansing turned the temple in Jerusalem to the temple in
our hearts, where the Holy Spirit can dwell. The whole reason for this shift was to make us
Gods people, pure, holy, righteous, period.
The priests had to purify themselves to enter the temple to do their duties. So likewise we
need to continually purify and walk in the way of Christ to continue to abide and be the dwelling
of the Holy Spirit.
If one believes you are a sinner till the day you die, yet have perfection and holiness, this is
gnostic belief and the concept of a upgraded immortal spirit with an evil flesh.
I am happy to acknowledge some believe this, but scripture does not support it.
Paul did not believe he was immortal or perfect and yet a sinner.
I never realised how sensitive David is to any criticism. It is like a legalist on steriods, while denying
they are a legalist.
Yes we admit we have sinned in the past, and by Gods grace not in the future, but we are cleansed and
forgiven by the blood of Christ and the cross, not as a one off, but as a continual abiding and cleansing
as we walk and if we stumble, restored and continuing.
But immortals are sinners the whole of their lives, and never cleansed. This is why it is a state of unbelief
in the cross and Jesus's forgiveness. We are righteous by faith, not as a covering over a rotten existence,
but literally as a reality in life today. And this is not a righteousness separate from Christ, but a righteousness
because He abides, directs and fills our existence. God bless you
It is clear to me these immortals do not read what is written or even accept their faith view as is
different from our faith view. They can say I am wrong, but declaring I can never be cleansed from
sin is a fact and not a statement of faith, is simply not true.
11 "Go, and from now on do not sin any more"
John 8
13 "Don’t sin any more, lest anything worse happen to you"
John 5
11 And he must turn away from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
12 For the eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous and his ears are open to their prayer.
But the Lord’s face is against those who do evil.
13 For who is going to harm you if you are devoted to what is good
1 Peter 3
Doing good is our calling and the path. Evil is to by turned away from and left behind.
Clearly gnostics deny this is possible, just a pipe dream, a delusion of hypocrites and the
self righteous.
But as I repeat this is a position of working faith, which clearly some do not have.
If their faith cannot and has not taken them to this place through the cross I cannot
deny their reality, but I know Jesus and His ways and rejoice in the love I now walk in, Amen
different from our faith view. They can say I am wrong, but declaring I can never be cleansed from
sin is a fact and not a statement of faith, is simply not true.
11 "Go, and from now on do not sin any more"
John 8
13 "Don’t sin any more, lest anything worse happen to you"
John 5
11 And he must turn away from evil and do good; he must seek peace and pursue it.
12 For the eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous and his ears are open to their prayer.
But the Lord’s face is against those who do evil.
13 For who is going to harm you if you are devoted to what is good
1 Peter 3
Doing good is our calling and the path. Evil is to by turned away from and left behind.
Clearly gnostics deny this is possible, just a pipe dream, a delusion of hypocrites and the
self righteous.
But as I repeat this is a position of working faith, which clearly some do not have.
If their faith cannot and has not taken them to this place through the cross I cannot
deny their reality, but I know Jesus and His ways and rejoice in the love I now walk in, Amen
I wasn’t passing judgment on anyone. I was simply stating a biblical fact that we are all sinners. Do you understand that everyone sins?
Ironic legalism
Some here believe to follow Jesus all man made rules must be followed or it is sin.
They will say, a rule by man, is as powerful and important as rules set down by God.
Unfortunately man made laws are to allow the police to stop behaviour and physically
remove people from situation using force which would others by call assault.
In reality people break these rules constantly and modify their behaviour within the
region of the limits. Speeding is a typical one. It is not a sin to speed, you will be
fined and have penalty points if caught, and it is best for road safety to keep by the
limits but that is the interplay. Lives are saved by slower speeds and better driving.
Another is where and how you can share faith. There is good reason why people are
vulnerable to others sharing what they believe while they can do nothing in response.
This is exploitation and causes great upset to some, so should be done with great care.
Smoking weed, dissing good honest loving people is no problem, saying some are going
to hell because they love Gods word and His ways and His love, is also not an issue.
Now it is interesting how lopsided this behaviour is. Real evil and understanding is source
in the heart, working through pains and assumptions about others, realising the world is
very different than we thing, are just irrelevant. But then real love and empathy, seeing
change and restitution is a step to far, just defend the faith against the evil deceivers.
Some here believe to follow Jesus all man made rules must be followed or it is sin.
They will say, a rule by man, is as powerful and important as rules set down by God.
Unfortunately man made laws are to allow the police to stop behaviour and physically
remove people from situation using force which would others by call assault.
In reality people break these rules constantly and modify their behaviour within the
region of the limits. Speeding is a typical one. It is not a sin to speed, you will be
fined and have penalty points if caught, and it is best for road safety to keep by the
limits but that is the interplay. Lives are saved by slower speeds and better driving.
Another is where and how you can share faith. There is good reason why people are
vulnerable to others sharing what they believe while they can do nothing in response.
This is exploitation and causes great upset to some, so should be done with great care.
Smoking weed, dissing good honest loving people is no problem, saying some are going
to hell because they love Gods word and His ways and His love, is also not an issue.
Now it is interesting how lopsided this behaviour is. Real evil and understanding is source
in the heart, working through pains and assumptions about others, realising the world is
very different than we thing, are just irrelevant. But then real love and empathy, seeing
change and restitution is a step to far, just defend the faith against the evil deceivers.
I never said you are unacceptable to God. What I said is, you are a sinner. Everyone is a sinner, and you are no different than anyone else. You should rejoice that you are not perfect, for there is great rejoicing in Heaven for lost sinners who are found.
AMEN......My bible is clear.....JESUS begins, finishes and COMPLETES the work of faith in us....SALVATION losers, by their stance are calling JESUS a liar........
Do you understand that everyone sins?
At the core of this statement is was is sin. If sins are actions, then a cleansed, Holy follower of Jesus
does not have to sin, and can walk righteously in obedience to love.
Some believe we have innate sin, inherited from Adam which has been suggested is sexual desire.
Now our hearts are the root source of things that defile us, make us unclean, which Jesus calls us
to purify and cleanse. Some suggest this is impossible and their hearts are shut off from God.
Bit difficult if we are to love God with all our heart, strength and mind. No shutting out allowed.
So if one wants to be honest, this question is not as simple or clear cut as people suggest.
Paul described his walk like this
10 You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
1 Thess 2
12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but
now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
14> Do everything without complaining or arguing,
15> so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked
and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe
Phil 2
One member joked that it is a pipe dread to become blameless and pure.
But that is saying Paul was proposing a pipe dream to us disciples which there is no point following
because it is impossible. But Paul wrote what was achievable, which is why he wrote it.
What is apparent those who believe no one can be holy, righteous and blameless, are really declaring
Paul was asking people to witness to a lie about his behaviour, which makes zero sense at all.
Paul is saying we were like this, so literally it is possible, so believe it to be true, Amen.
At the core of this statement is was is sin. If sins are actions, then a cleansed, Holy follower of Jesus
does not have to sin, and can walk righteously in obedience to love.
Some believe we have innate sin, inherited from Adam which has been suggested is sexual desire.
Now our hearts are the root source of things that defile us, make us unclean, which Jesus calls us
to purify and cleanse. Some suggest this is impossible and their hearts are shut off from God.
Bit difficult if we are to love God with all our heart, strength and mind. No shutting out allowed.
So if one wants to be honest, this question is not as simple or clear cut as people suggest.
Paul described his walk like this
10 You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed.
1 Thess 2
12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but
now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.
14> Do everything without complaining or arguing,
15> so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked
and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe
Phil 2
One member joked that it is a pipe dread to become blameless and pure.
But that is saying Paul was proposing a pipe dream to us disciples which there is no point following
because it is impossible. But Paul wrote what was achievable, which is why he wrote it.
What is apparent those who believe no one can be holy, righteous and blameless, are really declaring
Paul was asking people to witness to a lie about his behaviour, which makes zero sense at all.
Paul is saying we were like this, so literally it is possible, so believe it to be true, Amen.
I am saying sinners are not acceptable to God, they are under His judgement for sin, and will be
thrown into the lake of fire.
A gnostic will always admit they are acceptable to God because of their perfect immortal spirit,
though their flesh sins, but this is not a christian belief system, ever.
As a gnostic I can accept your world view, but to claim we are the same following the same Christ
and bible is simply not true. I am not an immortal spirit or despise Gods Holiness.
Rather I acknowledge the need to dwell in Christ and His words and love in our hearts to be in
eternal life or we are outside the words of promise.
Unfortunately it is easy to use christian language to obscure an evil walk that is acceptable to God,
sin unresolved, confessed and repented of as something He condones or preaches.
As I have said a murderer is only acceptable as redeemed and repented of murderer or else they
need to be restrained or executed. We have no comprise in Christ over this, plain and simple.
Blah blah blah....
Do you know JESUS.....obviously not --->White washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men, Blind leaders of the blind, Hypocrites just to name three.........
How about Elijah....obviously not-----> Maybe your god slumbereth or is on a journey.......
How about John....obviously not------->You generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee the coming wrath....
I guess the above three had no love hey when they done the above?
You just judged the above three by your post and your nothing more than a mouthy hypocrite...end of story!
By your immortal spirit, sinning flesh preaching of acceptable before God you are
calling Jesus a liar.
As you cannot have an immortal spirit, all you have is a sinning behaviour under
judgement as declared by Gods word. Without faith and repentance there is no
cleansing or Holiness or Acceptability because one is just an evil doer, to which
Jesus responds "I never knew you, evil doer."
You’re a sinner; to say otherwise is to call God a liar. Good luck with that one.