Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

I guess they think if they can discredit you it proves their truth is the gospel truth.

It makes them look worse. Not better,

But they can not see that

Who knows. Maybe they need to do it for their own benefit, because they do nto even really trust themselves. And they need to prove themselves that they are right.

He is still lip flappin trying to say we are pitted against each other and that I am calling what you say drivel.....oblivious to the fact that what i am calling drivel is his inability to acknowledge the fact that we pack two natures that fight each other for control until we are either raised or changed in the resurrection/change......he is like the others I mentioned...zero honesty

 

[dcontroversal]

See? Eternally grateful agrees with me, not you. John is compairing and contrasting those who are of God, Vs those who are of their father the devil.

Yep...that is why he has you on ignore........because he agrees with you.....NO hardly pal

 

[Macabeus]

No.....I am calling your view and religionist false gospel drivel....get your facts straight.......the bible is clear....until this body is raised or changed we pack two natures that fight each other for control....the fact you deny this proves your inability to be honest....now....quit lying and be honest

True

But that is not what John is talking about if that is what you means,

He is compairing and contrasting those who are of God, Vs those who are of their father the devil.

We “practice” our nature

Those who are of satan “practice” sin

Those who are born of God “do not practice sin” because they are by nature children of god and have their seed in them.

 

[Macabeus]

Yep...that is why he has you on ignore........because he agrees with you.....NO hardly pal

If you read what I posted this morning and read the link of what he said yesterday, you will notice we have the same position on this issue.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He is still lip flappin trying to say we are pitted against each other and that I am calling what you say drivel.....oblivious to the fact that what i am calling drivel is his inability to acknowledge the fact that we pack two natures that fight each other for control until we are either raised or changed in the resurrection/change......he is like the others I mentioned...zero honesty

Thats the difference between us, Even when we do disagree.. And even if we get heated a little in doing it. We do not attack each other or slander each other or do things to discredit each other. We have a good ole fashion knock them down brotherly fight, then get up. Clean the blood off our faces and knuckles. And go have a cold one and a steak and laugh like the true brothers we are.

I do not think they know what that kind of love looks like. And are jealose of it, so they have to attack us even more to try to divide us.

 

[Macabeus]

Oh, let me go cry in a corner because people have me on ignore. I am not motivated by the need for popularity.

There is no mention of two natures in 1 John 3. Just a mention of those who are born of God and those who are not.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (no two natures here, just two different types of people)

The whole book is talking about discerning what is of God and what is of the devil and of the world. Not about two natures.

You would have the new nature as of God and the body as of the devil. That is Gnosticism.

 

[Macabeus]

Thats the difference between us, Even when we do disagree.. And even if we get heated a little in doing it. We do not attack each other or slander each other or do things to discredit each other. We have a good ole fashion knock them down brotherly fight, then get up. Clean the blood off our faces and knuckles. And go have a cold one and a steak and laugh like the true brothers we are.

I do not think they know what that kind of love looks like. And are jealose of it, so they have to attack us even more to try to divide us.

Yep, you and DC never attack people.

Of course you don't attack each other. You just attack other people who are not in your gang. Do you want examples of how you attack people linked to?

 

[Macabeus]

Thats the difference between us, Even when we do disagree.. And even if we get heated a little in doing it. We do not attack each other or slander each other or do things to discredit each other. We have a good ole fashion knock them down brotherly fight, then get up. Clean the blood off our faces and knuckles. And go have a cold one and a steak and laugh like the true brothers we are.

I do not think they know what that kind of love looks like. And are jealose of it, so they have to attack us even more to try to divide us.

yep, you and DC don't each other, you attack others.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yep...that is why he has you on ignore........because he agrees with you.....NO hardly pal

Let-me guess. He is trying to discredit me by looking up some stuff to try to make me look bad?

 

[Macabeus]

He is still lip flappin trying to say we are pitted against each other and that I am calling what you say drivel.....oblivious to the fact that what i am calling drivel is his inability to acknowledge the fact that we pack two natures that fight each other for control until we are either raised or changed in the resurrection/change......he is like the others I mentioned...zero honesty

Saying that I don't acknowledge the fact that we pack two natures is an outright LIE. I never denied this. So now you are resorting to outright LYING.

I never said we don't have two natures. I said they are not mentioned in 1 John 3. So now the true nature of DC is manifested as he bears false witness by saying I denied believers having two natures.

 

[Macabeus]

Let-me guess. He is trying to discredit me by looking up some stuff to try to make me look bad?

Nope, I showed that you agree with me on what we are currently discussing. You know DC's position is wrong just like I do. I posted the link that proves it. And I just caught DC in an outright lie. (see previous post)

 

[Macabeus]

Let-me guess. He is trying to discredit me by looking up some stuff to try to make me look bad?

Nope...

True

But that is not what John is talking about if that is what you means,

He is compairing and contrasting those who are of God, Vs those who are of their father the devil.

We “practice” our nature

Those who are of satan “practice” sin

Those who are born of God “do not practice sin” because they are by nature children of god and have their seed in them.

 

[dcontroversal]

Thats the difference between us, Even when we do disagree.. And even if we get heated a little in doing it. We do not attack each other or slander each other or do things to discredit each other. We have a good ole fashion knock them down brotherly fight, then get up. Clean the blood off our faces and knuckles. And go have a cold one and a steak and laugh like the true brothers we are.

I do not think they know what that kind of love looks like. And are jealose of it, so they have to attack us even more to try to divide us.

And the funny thing.....his whole premise is wrong....we agree on John......and we agree on the conflict Paul discusses between the spirit and the flesh....even JESUS spoke of it....and yet he denies this truth.......the Spirit is indeed willing, but the FLESH is weak...

 

[dcontroversal]

Let-me guess. He is trying to discredit me by looking up some stuff to try to make me look bad?

He is trying to say that we disagree on what John writes and he cannot seem to grasp that I named PAUL and JESUS NOT JOHN when I wrote about the conflict between the to natures a saved child of GOD has.....THE spirit against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit.......his while premise is ignorant

 

[gb9]

OK, if I have been proven wrong, SHOW ME where 1 John 3:6-10 is talking about two natures, instead of contrasting those who are of God and those who are not, LIKE THE REST OF THE BOOK, and like 1 John 3:10 CLEARLY shows.

nah, I am not not going to waste my time showing you something you are just going to spin, deny, and want more evidence.

I have played enough games with legalists who pluck out one verse, shout about over and over, and demanding others prove the verse wrong.

(as if one verse can have a whole theology built around it.,..)

 

[Macabeus]

And the funny thing.....his whole premise is wrong....we agree on John......and we agree on the conflict Paul discusses between the spirit and the flesh....even JESUS spoke of it....and yet he denies this truth.......the Spirit is indeed willing, but the FLESH is weak...

Another lie. I never denied the dual nature of the believer. I said that is not what 1 John 3 is about. Because it's not. Even your buddy E.G knows this.

 

[gb9]

HAHA actually the more you speak and peddle your religious blather---->you are doing a find job of making yourself look foolish......

notice how he seemed to present a grace - based theology for a while, but as soon as he was proven wrong by undergrace, the mask came off, and the same legalistic garbage came back, as strong as ever..

 

[Macabeus]

nah, I am not not going to waste my time showing you something you are just going to spin, deny, and want more evidence.

I have played enough games with legalists who pluck out one verse, shout about over and over, and demanding others prove the verse wrong.

(as if one verse can have a whole theology built around it.,..)

You will not because you cannot. No one can. Because 1 John 3 is not about two natures. Romans 6-8 is. Parts of Galatians are. But not 1 John 3. DC is wrongly transposing Romans 6-8 and Galatians 5-6 onto 1 John 3

Why don't we just say the whole book is about two natures, instead of saying what the book is actually about.

 

[dcontroversal]

Saying that I don't acknowledge the fact that we pack two natures is an outright LIE. I never denied this. So now you are resorting to outright LYING.

I never said we don't have two natures. I said they are not mentioned in 1 John 3. So now the true nature of DC is manifested as he bears false witness by saying I denied believers having two natures.

Now you are embellishing pal..........you were clear and dismissed the two natures......and the point JOHN makes is clear....see if you can follow reason....

If I say that which is born of incorruptible seed/spirit DOES NOT SIN......what is the obvious conclusion about the flesh......?

SEE....you cannot DISMISS the rest of the BIBLE when considering similar contexts and or statements of TRUTH......so you may think you can compartmentalize the bible away into little boxes pal, but you cannot....IT STANDS AS A WHOLE

 

[dcontroversal]

notice how he seemed to present a grace - based theology for a while, but as soon as he was proven wrong by undergrace, the mask came off, and the same legalistic garbage came back, as strong as ever..

Just another religionist deceiver.....he likes to compartmentalize the bible into little boxes while ignoring the fact it must be taken in the whole.....