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Amen!
God's absolute standard is perfection from birth till death....
Unless Jesus covers us, not one of us can make it.
Our righteousness falls flat on its face compared to His which can endure a perfect judgement.
Praise God for saving us and making us new, all glory to Jesus our loving savior❤
I could care less about what some website says. I do care about this- the Biblical definition of sin is missing the mark, falling short of a standard , knowing to do good and not doing so,
so, do you live up to these? do you uphold the Sermon on the Mount 24/7.
if you cannot truthfully say yes to these things, then you are not sinless.
John 9
39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
John 10
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)
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The Gospel is not making Jesus Lord of your life.....that is Jesus + doctrine
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Adam was created perfect as well and he fell, however we have a new Adam (Christ Jesus) who was the incorruptible seed, therefore our salvation is secure.
It is the perfection, the completeness of the finished work of Christ Jesus that is the basis of our inheritance alone.
Since Christ was victorious we are victorious in Him
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Disagree.....sanctification does not "begin" it is fait accompli in Christ Jesus
Our flesh is not being redeemed
The Messiah was perfect and died for his people to perfect his people, not to justify their continual lawlessness, as if his death is a license to sin, contrary to what many people who say, "he was perfect for me", as if to say, "I don't have to be perfect because he was perfect", contrary to what the Messiah taught, "be perfect" and "sin no more". You err in your understanding of the truth.
1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
Revelation 13:8 (HCSB)
8 All those who live on the earth will worship him [Antichrist], everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
When were our names written in the BOOK of LIFE of the Lamb?
Revelation 13:8 (HCSB)
8 All those who live on the earth will worship him [Antichrist], everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
2 Samuel 23:5 (NCV)
5 “This is how God has cared for my family. God made a lasting agreement with me, right and sure in every way. He will accomplish my salvation and satisfy all my desires.
Your Twisted Theology, cross-grains with numerous verses in scripture.
Our Theology does not cross-grain with any of the holy scriptures.
We realize that SALVATION is separate from SANCTIFICATION.
SALVATION is fulfilled the moment we Genuinely BELIEVE!
SANCTIFICATION is literally what we do for the rest of our lives, AFTER WE ARE SAVED.
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This entire passage informs me that you do not understand the love of God, His Grace and the free gift of salvation that He gives to those who believe in Him.
You also do not understand that a person who has been regenerated/justified/sanctified in Christ is adopted by God as a son or daughter and He is our Father and He saves us from our sin by discipline and chastisement NOT for salvation or to earn His favour.
We are called to grow in Grace, that means live out the status of the new creation we are in Christ.
That is the true good news!!
Perfect more often than not in the Scriptures, means to be Spiritually Mature.
And you apparently think it means sinless.
Let's put that to the test:
1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. [If you are an American, you are to respectfully submit to President Donald Trump as the position requires.]
Every ordinances of man, do you even know what all that requires ? ? ?
So you do not SIN in your opinion? Or almost Never Sin?
What If I can prove to you that YOU sin almost EVERYDAY?
So you believe our salvation IS in danger? What you have accused OTHERS OF?
So let's see how YOU YOURSELF measure up.
So you STILL think you are completely obedient to GOD?
Then let me show you how Easily that BUBBLE of PRIDE can be BURST.
Speeding, even accidentally - YOU SIN!
Even to the point that you habitually SIN!
Littering, even a candy bar wrapper or 33.8% of LITTER is cigarette butts - YOU SIN!
Parking Violation - YOU SIN
Failure to pick up dog poop - YOU SIN!
LEASHING YOUR DOG is the LAW in most public places - YOU SIN!
Jay Walking is an ordinance is most Cities - YOU SIN!
NO DUMPING and if you do - YOU SIN!
Shall I go on? I am sure there are LOTS of City, County, and State Ordinances, that GOD EXPECTS YOU TO OBEY.
Like paying your parking meterPerfect more often than not in the Scriptures, means to be Spiritually Mature.
And you apparently think it means sinless.
Let's put that to the test:
1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. [If you are an American, you are to respectfully submit to President Donald Trump as the position requires.]
Every ordinances of man, do you even know what all that requires ? ? ?
So you do not SIN in your opinion? Or almost Never Sin?
What If I can prove to you that YOU sin almost EVERYDAY?
So you believe our salvation IS in danger? What you have accused OTHERS OF?
So let's see how YOU YOURSELF measure up.
So you STILL think you are completely obedient to GOD?
Then let me show you how Easily that BUBBLE of PRIDE can be BURST.
View attachment 199338
Speeding, even accidentally - YOU SIN!
Even to the point that you habitually SIN!
View attachment 199339 View attachment 199340
Littering, even a candy bar wrapper or 33.8% of LITTER is cigarette butts - YOU SIN!
Parking Violation - YOU SIN
View attachment 199341
Failure to pick up dog poop - YOU SIN!
View attachment 199342
LEASHING YOUR DOG is the LAW in most public places - YOU SIN!
Jay Walking is an ordinance is most Cities - YOU SIN!
View attachment 199343
NO DUMPING and if you do - YOU SIN!
Shall I go on? I am sure there are LOTS of City, County, and State Ordinances, that GOD EXPECTS YOU TO OBEY.
No double parking, etc.
No need to go on, but for the sake of the debate, feel free to do so
I am not talking about Positionally, I am talking about the reality of becoming Sinless, as we strive towards that GOAL, but will not be able to attain it until the RESURRECTION:
Philippians 3:12-14 (NKJV)
12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me.
13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,
14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 9:24-27 (HCSB)
24 Don’t you know that the runners in a stadium all race, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way to win the prize.
25 Now everyone who competes exercises self-control in everything. However, they do it to receive a crown that will fade away, but we a crown that will never fade away.
26 Therefore I do not run like one who runs aimlessly or box like one beating the air.
27 Instead, I discipline my body and bring it under strict control, so that after preaching to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Hebrews 12:1-2 (HCSB)
1 Therefore, since we also have such a large cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us lay aside every weight and the sin that so easily ensnares us. Let us run with endurance the race that lies before us,
2 keeping our eyes on Jesus, the source and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that lay before Him endured a cross and despised the shame and has sat down at the right hand of God’s throne.
Dr. John MacArthur has said on several occasions, "A Christian is not SINLESS, but as he or she spiritually matures, he or she, will SIN LESS, and LESS, and LESS."
Perfect more often than not in the Scriptures, means to be Spiritually Mature.
And you apparently think it means sinless.
Let's put that to the test:
1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
16 as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
17 Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. [If you are an American, you are to respectfully submit to President Donald Trump as the position requires.]
Every ordinances of man, do you even know what all that requires ? ? ?
So you do not SIN in your opinion? Or almost Never Sin?
What If I can prove to you that YOU sin almost EVERYDAY?
So you believe our salvation IS in danger? What you have accused OTHERS OF?
So let's see how YOU YOURSELF measure up.
So you STILL think you are completely obedient to GOD?
Then let me show you how Easily that BUBBLE of PRIDE can be BURST.
View attachment 199338
Speeding, even accidentally - YOU SIN!
Even to the point that you habitually SIN!
View attachment 199339 View attachment 199340
Littering, even a candy bar wrapper or 33.8% of LITTER is cigarette butts - YOU SIN!
Parking Violation - YOU SIN
View attachment 199341
Failure to pick up dog poop - YOU SIN!
View attachment 199342
LEASHING YOUR DOG is the LAW in most public places - YOU SIN!
Jay Walking is an ordinance is most Cities - YOU SIN!
View attachment 199343
NO DUMPING and if you do - YOU SIN!
Shall I go on? I am sure there are LOTS of City, County, and State Ordinances, that GOD EXPECTS YOU TO OBEY.
You have no understanding of what sin is. Sin is defined by the Torah, hence "in the Torah is the knowledge of sin", which is the Law of God, not by the laws of men. This is why you think that not obeying traffic laws is somehow related to the righteousness of God. You have no understanding of the Torah of God.