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theanointedwinner said:
Like Greek scholars but more high tech with a huge library of things to teach with artificial intelligence assistance?:love:
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NO, with 100% of our REAL INTELLIGENCE:

1 John 3:2 (NIV)
2 Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
 
VCO said:
Paul, is sensing I WANT TO GO HOME TO THE LORD!

YET, I want to stay to continue to teach you more.
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I personally want to see JESUS crack the sky...........Obviously the will of God will be done......nothing I can do about it for sure....but.....if I had my choice....See him return in power and great glory.......just like every man, woman and child left on the planet.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I personally want to see JESUS crack the sky...........Obviously the will of God will be done......nothing I can do about it for sure....but.....if I had my choice....See him return in power and great glory.......just like every man, woman and child left on the planet.
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YES, that would be Trilling. My understanding is HE does not come all the way to earth, so it does not count as a coming. Instead HE has chosen the Arch Angel when HE STOPS up in the atmosphere, to continue the CALL THE BRIDE OUT OF HER OLD DWELLING PLACE. Then we GO UP to me HIM in the Clouds. And the Wedding will be in the New City Jerusalem, in Heaven. That is one hundred percent correct according to JEWISH WEDDING CUSTOM. The Groom stopped a little ways away, sending the chosen one to blow the shofar trumpet and Shout to call the Bride out of her old dwelling place. What will he SHOUT ? ? ? I think JESUS told us in the Parable of the Ten Virgins:

Matthew 25:6 (NIV)
6 "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

Whether the Wedding is a SEVEN DAY CEREMONY, of SEVEN YEARS of Ceremony. does not matter that much, BUT IT WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE CITY that is Adorned as a BRIDE.

Yes, I get excited every time that I think about it! I think you know I believe it will be 7 years, the SAME WEEK of Years, that the 70th Week of Daniel goes on here on EARTH.
 
VCO said:
YES, that would be Trilling. My understanding is HE does not come all the way to earth, so it does not count as a coming. Instead HE has chosen the Arch Angel when HE STOPS up in the atmosphere, to continue the CALL THE BRIDE OUT OF HER OLD DWELLING PLACE. Then we GO UP to me HIM in the Clouds. And the Wedding will be in the New City Jerusalem, in Heaven. That is one hundred percent correct according to JEWISH WEDDING CUSTOM. The Groom stopped a little ways away, sending the chosen one to blow the shofar trumpet and Shout to call the Bride out of her old dwelling place. What will he SHOUT ? ? ? I think JESUS told us in the Parable of the Ten Virgins:

Matthew 25:6 (NIV)
6 "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come Out to meet him!'

Whether the Wedding is a SEVEN DAY CEREMONY, of SEVEN YEARS of Ceremony. does not matter that much, BUT IT WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE CITY that is Adorned as a BRIDE.

Yes, I get excited every time that I think about it! I think you know I believe it will be 7 years, the SAME WEEK of Years, that the 70th Week of Daniel goes on here on EARTH.
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The Raptures happens VERY QUICKLY, and from there we go to HEAVEN FOR THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB. Personally I believe it will be the Seven Year Ceremony. HE appears as A BRIDEGROOM and the WEDDING according to JEWISH TRADITION has to take Place in HIS FATHER'S House, and the building of Wedding Chamber in HIS FATHERS House was the reason for HIS absence. Most Christians do not know this, because the do not study the WEDDING CUSTOMS OF JEWS. But there ARE TWO WEDDING FEASTS. The FIRST ONE for the Bride and Groom and their guests in the Father's House, and the SECOND ONE is at the Bride's old dwelling place or a Relative's of the Bride shortly after the original one. AND THE BRIDE AND GROOM EVEN REPEAT THERE VOWELS so that ALL will have a chance to see witness their Vowels. So that means ONE WEDDING FEAST IN HEAVEN and ONE HERE ON EARTH. SEE IT PAYS TO STUDY JEWISH WEDDING CUSTOMS.

NOW the EVENT that Happens So Slowly that all the WORLD's ARMIES HAVE TIME TO GATHER at Valley of Megiddo, is the SECOND COMING, WHEN HIS FEET ACTUALLY TOUCH THE MOUNT OF OLIVES. It is Described in Rev. 19:11-21 and Zech. 14:1-21. If it has been awhile since you have read those, please do it now.

Notice the feet TOUCH the Mount of Olives Zech 14:4, and in the RAPTURE HE is only seen in the Clouds, and WE GO UP TO MEET HIM. You tell me which do you count as a COMING. The Time HE as A BRIDEGROOM comes for HIS BRIDE; or the TIME HE Comes as KING OF Kings to make WAR.

Revelation 19:19 (NIV)
19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army.

Notice: The Armies not KNOW were they are going, and why they are GOING NORTH OF JERUSALEM. THEY LITERALLY KNOW WHO THEY WILL FIGHT WHEN THEY GET THERE. The Scripture says the Rapture will happen at a time NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR. So which time describes that event? VERY SLOW DESCENT, or compare that to a VERY FAST DESCENT, in the twinkling of an eye, and like lightning flashes from east to west?

Oh yes, I GET VERY EXCITED to get called out to GO TO THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB, and every time I think about it, I just bubble over with JOY.
 
theanointedwinner said:
What are my spiritual gifts or my specialty in the Christian community?
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He is right, only YOU can tell or CHRIST. What you have the most interest in is Usually what you are the most Gifted at.

Say you are interest in Elderly Ministry, then you should try it. IF IT BRINGS JOY TO YOUR HEART, that is a sure sign that you are gifted.
 
I never heard of what "elderly ministry" is,

I thought ministry is one thing while pastor like youth pastor, many categories


If I am confused, can you clarify?
 
VCO said:
YES, that would be Trilling. My understanding is HE does not come all the way to earth, so it does not count as a coming. Instead HE has chosen the Arch Angel when HE STOPS up in the atmosphere, to continue the CALL THE BRIDE OUT OF HER OLD DWELLING PLACE. Then we GO UP to me HIM in the Clouds. And the Wedding will be in the New City Jerusalem, in Heaven. That is one hundred percent correct according to JEWISH WEDDING CUSTOM. The Groom stopped a little ways away, sending the chosen one to blow the shofar trumpet and Shout to call the Bride out of her old dwelling place. What will he SHOUT ? ? ? I think JESUS told us in the Parable of the Ten Virgins:

Matthew 25:6 (NIV)
6 "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'

Whether the Wedding is a SEVEN DAY CEREMONY, of SEVEN YEARS of Ceremony. does not matter that much, BUT IT WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE CITY that is Adorned as a BRIDE.

Yes, I get excited every time that I think about it! I think you know I believe it will be 7 years, the SAME WEEK of Years, that the 70th Week of Daniel goes on here on EARTH.
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My understanding is that there is but ONE coming of Christ and ALL things jive with that one coming when viewed in context and honestly......just saying and not being mouthy.........

ALL three aspects of the coming of Christ are tied together by Paul, Peter and John........

The Day of the LORD
The Day of Christ
The Day of GOD

ALL three are ONE DAY with three different aspects as Jesus is ALL three....LORD, CHRIST and GOD....................

WAS
IS
IS TO COME <----1 coming not 2 or 3......and PAUL calls OUR gathering together unto him the COMING (PAROUSIA) of Christ by the use of a Grandsville Sharp in the GREEK in 2nd Thessalonians 2
 
dcontroversal said:
My understanding is that there is but ONE coming of Christ and ALL things jive with that one coming when viewed in context and honestly......just saying and not being mouthy.........

ALL three aspects of the coming of Christ are tied together by Paul, Peter and John........

The Day of the LORD
The Day of Christ
The Day of GOD

ALL three are ONE DAY with three different aspects as Jesus is ALL three....LORD, CHRIST and GOD....................

WAS
IS
IS TO COME <----1 coming not 2 or 3......and PAUL calls OUR gathering together unto him the COMING (PAROUSIA) of Christ by the use of a Grandsville Sharp in the GREEK in 2nd Thessalonians 2
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I respect your right to disagree with me on this subject, but I could NEVER believe your position.

So have you thought of why we are CALLED OUT, from the earth, only to do a U-Turn in the upper atmosphere and come right back down. PLUS: You destroy HIS mirroring a JEWISH WEDDING, which has to take place in the New Dwelling place IN HIS FATHER'S HOUSE.

John 14:2-3 (NJB)
2 In my Father's house there are many places to live in; otherwise I would have told you. I am going now to prepare a place for you,
3 and after I have gone and prepared you a place, I shall return to take you to myself, so that you may be with me where I am.

HE does not say, I come to you! We have to go UP TO HIM.

Those verses I just quoted, is LINE for LINE what a JEWISH BRIDEGROOM WOULD SAY to HIS BRIDE after she had DRANK from the Betrothal Cup, in Orthodox Judaism for 3000 or more YEARS. Why would HE start a JEWISH WEDDING, and abandon it? Would that not make Him a person that Misleads ? ? ?

http://www.wildolive.co.uk/weddings.htm

https://www.thetruthstandsforever.c...stoms--jesus-christ-his-bride-the-church.html


PLUS:

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NASB)
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

And WRATH happens in Chapter 6 of Revelation.

Revelation 3:10 (NASB)
10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.


That is why I believe in the Rapture and the Second Coming cannot be at the same time.
 
VCO said:
I respect your right to disagree with me on this subject, but I could NEVER believe your position.

So have you thought of why we are CALLED OUT, from the earth, only to do a U-Turn in the upper atmosphere and come right back down. PLUS: You destroy HIS mirroring a JEWISH WEDDING, which has to take place in the New Dwelling place IN HIS FATHER'S HOUSE.

John 14:2-3 (NJB)
2 In my Father's house there are many places to live in; otherwise I would have told you. I am going now to prepare a place for you,
3 and after I have gone and prepared you a place, I shall return to take you to myself, so that you may be with me where I am.

HE does not say, I come to you! We have to go UP TO HIM.

Those verses I just quoted, is LINE for LINE what a JEWISH BRIDEGROOM WOULD SAY to HIS BRIDE after she had DRANK from the Betrothal Cup, in Orthodox Judaism for 3000 or more YEARS. Why would HE start a JEWISH WEDDING, and abandon it? Would that not make Him a person that Misleads ? ? ?

http://www.wildolive.co.uk/weddings.htm

https://www.thetruthstandsforever.c...stoms--jesus-christ-his-bride-the-church.html


PLUS:

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NASB)
9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

And WRATH happens in Chapter 6 of Revelation.

Revelation 3:10 (NASB)
10 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.


That is why I believe in the Rapture and the Second Coming cannot be at the same time.
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You have full right to disagree and be wrong ;).......I will go with the announcement in HEAVEN before the throne of GOD at the 7th trump that the wrath of GOD has arrived over the words of LOST MEN hiding and assuming the WRATH of GOD has come.....You do understand that the inspired word CONTAINS the words of LOST MEN and their VIEW and what they STATE does not equate to truth or the arrival of an announced wrath.....

POST GREAT TRIB PRE WRATH at the 7th and final trump......that is what the bible teaches
 
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