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Thanks for FINALLY admitting that what I have been saying all this time was correct, DC. DO you want the posts where I said the same things you are saying now. I will post them later for you.
 
Am I missing something here in this back and forth?

It seems like such an insignificant difference that is causing such strife and division to apparently score "gotcha" points.
 
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Macabeus said:
The statement "it takes a period of maturity and growth to bear fruit" is stating a necessity, not a contingency.

If you wanted to state a contingency, you would have said "it MAY take a period of growth and maturity" or "for some it may take a period of growth and maturity"

When I brought this fact up before MANY TIMES, you did not correct me or argue about it. You are now, because your statement has been shown to be bogus. So now you have to change it.
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No actually it hasn't........if anything my position has been strenghtened by the facts of the two posts above.......why won't you answer...

YES or NO

Must wheat that has been planted grow before it produces a head of GRAIN <----YES or NO

Did the seed sown NEED GOOD SOIL to produce....WHY?
 
Look at what I said weeks ago...

Macabeus said:
There are many scriptures that talk about trees and or vines and fruit bearing. And I have been very clear the whole time that I am arguing AGAINST the proposition that a period of growth and maturity is a NECESSARY condition for the COMMENCEMENT of bearing fruit. (GO back and read my posts, obviously you haven't read them yet) You just haven't been reading.

Believers bear fruit while they are growing and maturing. People should be drawn to God by their testimony. It doesn't take a mature Christian to bear fruit. All believers can, unless their is a contingent reason why they don't.

But then this makes lack of fruit bearing based on a contingency, not a universal, all inclusive necessity, which is what the word "it takes..." instead of "it may take" imply.
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PennEd said:
Am I missing something here in this back and forth?

It seems like such an insignificant difference that is causing such strife and division to apparently score "gotcha" points.
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No, I have been repeatedly been called a liar and I am showing that I was not lying at all.
 
Here is what I said to GB9 back in February...and now you are agreeing with me.

Macabeus said:
Ever heard of the proverb "you cannot make an analogy walk on all fours"?

apparently not, goalpost shifter. Be sure to read my last two posts, though I doubt you will bother to understand them.

You are a goalpost shifter because you changed a necessary, certain condition "it takes years" to a uncertain, contingent condition, "it may take years"

"it takes years"

"it may take years"

Entirely different arguments

Goal post shifting.

and you cannot make an analogy walk on all fours. google it
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PennEd said:
By name calling and a lack of forgiveness?

What does it even matter if you are right? Think of the joy it would give the Lord to say something like" I'm sorry for anything hurtful I've said" and then move on.
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I can do that, but when is DC going to stop his destructive behaviour. It is not just with me, it is with others. I reposted several posts where he called people idiots.

It's not about being right anymore. It's about people's ongoing behaviour. Not just DC, but also GB9 and Eternal Grateful.

Are we not called to expose works of darkness?
 
PennEd said:
By name calling and a lack of forgiveness?

What does it even matter if you are right? Think of the joy it would give the Lord to say something like" I'm sorry for anything hurtful I've said" and then move on.
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But OK, I'm sorry if I said anything hurtful and I will move on. But I have not lied ONCE in these threads. Not once.

As long as no one here ever mentions me again, I will move on.

I will be watching for a while, and if my name comes up again, I will be back. If it doesnt come up again, I will not come back.
 
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Macabeus said:
The fact that DC is allowed to get away with what he does, calling people idiots, misrepresenting them, and lying just gives him freedom to continue. Someone needs to stand up to him.

But OK, I'm sorry if I said anything hurtful and I will move on.

As long as no one here ever mentions me again, I will move on.

I will be watching, and if my name comes up again, I will be back. If it doesnt come up again, I will not come back.
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Umm.. Thanks.. I guess...

I'll keep an eye out for that sword hanging over people's head.

Whether we're talking about you, DC, myself, or anyone else here, we all say hurtful things sometimes. Apologizing and not giving back as good as we get is what makes our Father happy.
 
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Macabeus said:
I can do that, but when is DC going to stop his destructive behaviour. It is not just with me, it is with others. I reposted several posts where he called people idiots.

It's not about being right anymore. It's about people's ongoing behaviour. Not just DC, but also GB9 and Eternal Grateful.

Are we not called to expose works of darkness?
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I have openly said statements are idiotic, I have not called anyone directly and idiot...
 
Macabeus said:
No, I have been repeatedly been called a liar and I am showing that I was not lying at all.
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for the record, I have never called you a liar. I call you a judgemental fruit inspector because you are obsessed with how long it takes one to begin to bear fruit.

you heavily imply that bearing fruit is a maintainer of salvation.

that is my statement. you may leave now if you wish, I will say no more, unless you keep chirping.
 
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dcontroversal said:
I have openly said statements are idiotic, I have not called anyone directly and idiot...
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post 30 "why the end times are so important- DC quote- Not me.....words like like bring out the Marine in me......and I stood and said thay whoever believes that or teaches that is an idiot and does not know or understand the word of God and on top of that it totally disregards the very essence of the word Revelation and what it means......
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Now I will leave.
 
PennEd said:
By name calling and a lack of forgiveness?

What does it even matter if you are right? Think of the joy it would give the Lord to say something like" I'm sorry for anything hurtful I've said" and then move on.
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There is a reason I have that person on Ignore.
 
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Macabeus said:
Now I will leave.
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gb9 said:
for the record, I have never called you a liar. I call you a judgemental fruit inspector because you are obsessed with how long it takes one to begin to bear fruit.

you heavily imply that bearing fruit is a maintainer of salvation.

that is my statement. you may leave now if you wish, I will say no more, unless you keep chirping.
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If one states openly two months ago....This is the last POST I am going to make on this thread and then continues to post, is that a truthful statement?
 
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