Does the statement you posted that fruit is proof of "genuine" salvation apply to me?
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Does the statement you posted that fruit is proof of "genuine" salvation apply to me?
It applies to everyone. That is what general means. IT is not inspecting anyone, it is stating a general principle. Sometimes when you state a general biblical principle, people take it personally, because it hits home. But there was no fruit inspection in what I said. Quoting the bible is not fruit inspection. You are like a person who hears a person speaking on a particular topic, who thinks, "that person's judging me", even though the comments are not directed at them.
Then the statement does indeed apply to me as an individual.
So, it's you who has erred.
I await your apology.
Wow, you people are DESPERATE. SO I can never say lying is a sin, adultery is a sin, unbelief is a sin, people who don't believe on Jesus perish, etc. because then I am judging people. Congradulations, you just subverted Christianity.
If I apologize to you, then I have to apologize to everyone who I ever told that Jesus is the ONLY Way to the Father. Some of them think I'm judging them too.;
You and several others lied and it shows that you are not humble enough to admit it.
Good night
“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’ “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ “Then THEY WILL GO AWAY TO ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, BUT THE RIGHTEOUS TO ETERNAL LIFE.” Matthew 25:40-46
Budman said,
In regard to salvation? NOPE.
The Great White Throne Judgment? YEP.
Tell me, how many sins have yet to be paid/atoned for? What part of "shall not (future tense) come into condemnation" (John 5:24) don't you understand?
Argueless said;
Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, NOT TO BEAR SIN, but to BRING SALVATION to those who are WAITING FOR HIM.
...If we deliberately keep on sinning AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGMENT and of raging fire that WILL CONSUME THE ENEMIES OF GOD. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE? Hebrews 10:26-29
Who are those that are insulting the Spirit of Grace?
...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, WHO CHANGE THE GRACE OF GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and DENY Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4
...It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. Hebrews 6:4-8
...These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him. If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.” 2 Peter 2:17-22
...It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is HOLY and HONORABLE, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and warned you. For GOD DID NOT CALL US TO BE IMPURE, but to LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction DOES NOT REJECT MAN BUT GOD, who gives you his HOLY SPIRIT. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8
...LET GOD BE TRUE...
...GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with desperation. It has everything to do with projection. You said the statement applies to everyone. That, naturally, applies to individuals. So you are indeed a fruit inspector.
So, keep wigglin'
Yeah. You said goodnight once before.
You need to apologize for saying you didn't judge anyone personally, but you certainly did when you said the statement applies to individuals.
Of which I am one.
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I do not see the analogy here. Inspecting fruit and defining sin two different principles.
But, UG, he didn't state any individual application. He was speaking generally.
I did not inspect fruit. That is a false accusation. Stating a general principle taught by Jesus and the apostles is not inspecting fruit, it is stating a general principle.
And if I have to desist from saying what Jesus and the apostles described as a mark of genuine conversion, then it is also wrong for me to say that Jesus is the only way to the Father. That is where your argument leads if taken to it's logical conclusion Therefore, you have subverted everything Christianity stands for by judging me for stating a very basic scriptural principle.
Saying that Jesus is the only way to the Father also has an individual application. Are you suggesting we stop teaching that?
So then I cannot say any negative scriptural principle at all that applies to individuals.
a. I cannot say that no one can be saved unless they believe in Jesus,
b. I cannot say that if anyone does not repent, they shall perish,
c. I cannot say all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
The only explanation for your posts is that you are a troll.