Not By Works

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dcontroversal said:
You have no idea of what you are talking about pal....and make no mistake, I was laughing at your ignorant statement and embellished "truth" concerning demons proving a works laced dogma by shaking because they KNOW God is real......more drivel on your part
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Wow, you talk about the written Word of God like that and don't know it is wrong? Does seered mean anything to you?
James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

King James Bible Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
 
YourTruthGod said:
Wow, you talk about the written Word of God like that and don't know it is wrong? Does seered mean anything to you?
James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.

King James Bible Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
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Who is stating this in the text?

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
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YourTruthGod said:
You are like the Pharisees who didn't repent of their sins.

Come on, tell us why the tax collector's and prostitutes were entering before you.
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Your ignorance of scripture has nothing on me pal....you are the one peddling the same drivel that the deceivers in Galatians peddled.....get your facts straight Pharisee
 
dcontroversal said:
You believe he actually used demons shuddering at the belief IN GOD to prove a works based self saving dogma.....I thought I had seen it all on this site until that one
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God has revealed things to me that most don't know, but there are those who love to be shown the truth.
 
BillG said:
Good post H.
I enjoyed reading it.

If you don't mind I would just like to add my thoughts concerning your last sentence.

With regards to sinners staying in the dark.

With regards to a repeated pattern of sin I believe there is a cause.
Like the severe gambling addiction I had.
So I was afraid to discuss it after I spoke to someone once who just said "You are sinning so stop it"

I went underground after that. Felt judged, condemned and useless.
Even doubted my faith and asked God to kill me (and I had a wife and 4 kids).

Alas the church is good at shooting its wounded.

And it's easy not to look at the light because there is a fear of change.
It's not a case of not wanting to change but if one has an ingrained pattern then that's what causes the fear.

The church needs to be an open place for those struggling, the wounded can seek help and not be condemned but nursed back to health.

The cause of effect must be dealt with.
Until that is addressed it won't be dealt with and people will not be healed.

My experience tells me that concerning my severe gambling habit.
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What staggers me is how our brains work.
Our behaviour changes its structure.
Musicians get a whole bump in their brain through learning to play.
Pornography has been shown to again change structures.

So it is not possible to say over-night things change. It is a flow from one
state into another. And working with where we are to where we need to get to
is the only way.

And I know we are all in the same place. Change is hard and scary. We only know
where we are and that kind of feels safe. If we started to confess our struggles and
issues people would find no one does not have issues. There is no real made it group,
rather we are all learning and growing. And I think this never ends.

It also keeps us humble. But if we just give up, this is unbelief, and defeat, because
it is saying where we are is ok, when Jesus declares there is so much more just one
step away, and then the next. God bless you.
 
dcontroversal said:
Your ignorance of scripture has nothing on me pal....you are the one peddling the same drivel that the deceivers in Galatians peddled.....get your facts straight Pharisee
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So you don't want to talk about God's Word when he said the tax collector's and prostitutes are entering before the Pharisees?
 
Hevosmies said:
Oy vey!

Im one of these devils that read the law and feel condemned. Because I feel like im never good enough no matter how much I try, its like fixing a house where you fix the stairs and the porch starts falling off, you fix the porch and the roof starts leaking!

You combine that with Jesus saying: My yoke is EASY and burden is LIGHT. John says the same thing, that His commands are not grievous. WHAT? Which commandments would those be? I know im extra wicked and come from an extra wicked background, BUT can someone please tell me which command is easy, or light or not grievous? Love your neighbor? Good luck with the kind of neighbors I got!

I have heard all the comforting sermons and people have told me online and offline that nobody can obey what Jesus said and I get that, but why bother giving us useless commands if we cant even follow them? Just to set a standard so we can always feel terrible not fulfilling it and that'll cause us to lean on God's grace? That doesnt sound like something Jesus had in mind because: My yoke is EASY, burden is LIGHT, Commands are NOT grievous.

Can someone unpack this for me? I have heard a thousand sermons on it, ive had a thousand and one people tell it to me, but it just doesnt match the EASY, not grievous parts!
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Look.....being "IN" Christ is a fixed, eternal position maintained by Christ, his power, his work, his grace and his promises.....it is not about following the letter of the law.....THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of Christ has been IMPUTED to you by FAITH without the DEEDS AND OR WORKS OF THE LAW.....CHRIST WAS BORN, LIVED AND DIED UNDER THE LAW AS A MAN that KEPT THE LAW AND COMMITTED NO SIN....THAT is what is applied unto us by FAITH and exactly why we are JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD....when he looks at us, while still being in a sinful bidy that fails daily HE SEES US THROUGH THE BLOOD AND RIGHTEOUSNESS OF HIS SON JESUS.....all works, any works, all and any fruit both good and bad produced by those genuinely saved will be judged and rewarded accordingly, however our POSITION AS A SON remains secure.....if we walk faithfully he rewards us even more....if we walk contrary he whips our butts off and takes rewards away JUST LIKE WE DO OUR CHILDREN, YET OUR CHILDREN NEVER STOP BEING OUR CHILDREN....
 
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